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Seems tesla is only giving the hardware to their installers, so the term "included" should come with a huge Asterisk after it.
That's dumb - so in addition to $100k, we need to pay another $4,000 to a Tesla installer?
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That's dumb - so in addition to $100k, we need to pay another $4,000 to a Tesla installer?
it may not be 4,000 but whatever the price yes, you have to pay it unless you buy a beast. then you get a 4,000 allowance. and if you decide to not pay it then you dont get the "included" hardware. and for some or most people that means you have o buy your own wall connector if thats what you want.
 

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Got it - thanks for the detailed explanation. Very helpful. So the question is whether the $2600 of hardware + cost of Tesla certified install is worth the automated backup and slightly more output?

Did I read here right that you cannot get your own electrician to install the power sharing setup? My father in law is a licensed electrician and installed my 2 existing wall connectors. He would almost certainly be able to setup the inverter/universal setup, but why wouldn't he be able to?
Because tesla won't ship you or him the parts. Only their certified installers.

You seem to get powershare included only if all of the following conditions are true:

-You buy an FS cybertruck
-You complete the powershare survey
-You are approved for powershare
-You are ready to install it at the time their installer is ready
-You pay their installer whatever they are charging (AWD has no installation credit)

If you don't meet all of those conditions, I don't even think they will send you the wall charger. They will just give you 6 or 12 months of supercharging (awd or beast), which is not close to the same value.

I'm currently on step 3, and I'm hoping I can schmooze my way through this to either get the equipment, or get the installer to agree to shelve the project until I'm ready to install it after I move. I doubt that it will be possible, and I'm further guessing that since I passed the survey but do not want it installed at my current location, I won't even get the free supercharging. That last part is speculation though, only time will tell.
 

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Using NEMA 14-50:
Power goes out, you go grab your NEMA 14-50 to RV cable plug it in to the generator inlet plug, turn off the main breaker and turn on generator breaker. then turn on the outlets using the app/screen in truck. total power available 9600 watts which is the max for a NEMA 14-50
but also the bed outlets are limited to 9K watts
 

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Because tesla won't ship you or him the parts. Only their certified installers.

You seem to get powershare included only if all of the following conditions are true:

-You buy an FS cybertruck
-You complete the powershare survey
-You are approved for powershare
-You are ready to install it at the time their installer is ready
-You pay their installer whatever they are charging (AWD has no installation credit)

If you don't meet all of those conditions, I don't even think they will send you the wall charger. They will just give you 6 or 12 months of supercharging (awd or beast), which is not close to the same value.

I'm currently on step 3, and I'm hoping I can schmooze my way through this to either get the equipment, or get the installer to agree to shelve the project until I'm ready to install it after I move. I doubt that it will be possible, and I'm further guessing that since I passed the survey but do not want it installed at my current location, I won't even get the free supercharging. That last part is speculation though, only time will tell.
This is helpful. So, some of the conditions are for sure out of our control and the alternative is worthless to me. I had 3 referrals in the early days where the referral reward was just free supercharging miles. I used none. Bought a LR Model Y recently and would love Acceleration boost, but no referral rewards...anyways back to the topic...

Do you (or anyone here) know what might disqualify from meeting the powershare conditions. Is it state based, location of panel(s), etc? When my home was built in 2020, the main panel was across the house from the garage, so I had the builders run a 100amp sub-panel right next to/under where the garage is so we were able to run 2 60amp lines up to 2 separate wall connectors to charge at 40amp each or 48amp one depending on if one or both are charging (2018 Model 3 LR AWD and 2023 Model Y LR AWD).

My father-in-law said with the cybertruck (replacing the 3), the plan would be to back feed to the main panel from the sub-panel. Wondering if this would be an approved design for Power sharing. Guessing no one here knows, but thought I would throw it out there. Also, FYI, I have the invite to order but have not yet ordered a foundation series. I would order the AWD if I do.
 


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I was told "no" and given 6 months of free supercharging. I still very much want my wall charger though. Hope they don't think 6 months of supercharging is equal. I very much disagree and almost never supercharge(my Model 3 hadn't been supercharged in over a year before I sold it last month)

I had free supercharging for life on my Model S and never used it , save for the first day I got it, just to see it work. Seems a little on the stingy side. If they can't do a credit for the amount in dollars why not just give everybody a one year or more? It doesn't seem like that should be such a huge liability for them to offer that just on the foundation run.

That's dumb - so in addition to $100k, we need to pay another $4,000 to a Tesla installer?
I know they make more profit theoretically, on the TriMotor but folks are being asked to pay 20k extra for either and the "extras", it seems silly to give people an install credit on one and not the other. I don't like not getting the hardware myself either and being tied to a specific installer and whatever they decide the price should be.

I'm also trying to figure out if I want to get solar and batteries to go along with it and where I would install all of it. And I'm guessing I need a new panel as well. I don't know if for when I'll be ready to install the power share.
 
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This is helpful. So, some of the conditions are for sure out of our control and the alternative is worthless to me. I had 3 referrals in the early days where the referral reward was just free supercharging miles. I used none. Bought a LR Model Y recently and would love Acceleration boost, but no referral rewards...anyways back to the topic...

Do you (or anyone here) know what might disqualify from meeting the powershare conditions. Is it state based, location of panel(s), etc? When my home was built in 2020, the main panel was across the house from the garage, so I had the builders run a 100amp sub-panel right next to/under where the garage is so we were able to run 2 60amp lines up to 2 separate wall connectors to charge at 40amp each or 48amp one depending on if one or both are charging (2018 Model 3 LR AWD and 2023 Model Y LR AWD).

My father-in-law said with the cybertruck (replacing the 3), the plan would be to back feed to the main panel from the sub-panel. Wondering if this would be an approved design for Power sharing. Guessing no one here knows, but thought I would throw it out there. Also, FYI, I have the invite to order but have not yet ordered a foundation series. I would order the AWD if I do.
based on the diagrams on tesla website the gateway needs to sit between the main panel and the power meter. and i believe the wall connector connects directly to the gateway. not sure if that can be accomplished by moving the subpanel the wall connector is connected to connect to the gateway or not.
 

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This is helpful. So, some of the conditions are for sure out of our control and the alternative is worthless to me. I had 3 referrals in the early days where the referral reward was just free supercharging miles. I used none. Bought a LR Model Y recently and would love Acceleration boost, but no referral rewards...anyways back to the topic...

Do you (or anyone here) know what might disqualify from meeting the powershare conditions. Is it state based, location of panel(s), etc? When my home was built in 2020, the main panel was across the house from the garage, so I had the builders run a 100amp sub-panel right next to/under where the garage is so we were able to run 2 60amp lines up to 2 separate wall connectors to charge at 40amp each or 48amp one depending on if one or both are charging (2018 Model 3 LR AWD and 2023 Model Y LR AWD).

My father-in-law said with the cybertruck (replacing the 3), the plan would be to back feed to the main panel from the sub-panel. Wondering if this would be an approved design for Power sharing. Guessing no one here knows, but thought I would throw it out there. Also, FYI, I have the invite to order but have not yet ordered a foundation series. I would order the AWD if I do.
you dont need 2 seperate circuits, you can power 2 wall connectors from a single <insert size here> amp circuit. the wall connectors will talk to eachother and share the power if more then 1 car is plugged in.
 

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This also hinges on my earlier question, can the truck auto transfer instantly or not? All Teslas prior to Cybertruck have the high voltage battery disconnected from the charge port contacts via relay. This is for safety so no one can touch the charge port contacts and be electrocuted. When the car is asleep, there is no power available at the charge port. We already know the outlets in the bed have to be manually turned on and off and there is a setting to allow them to remain powered for (I think) 10 hours after exiting the truck.

IF the PowerShare coming out of the charge port is able to instantly transfer power to your house, it would require those relays to remain closed at all times while plugged in and possibly require the truck to never sleep, which would drain the battery constantly.

I suppose Tesla could have wired up the truck logic differently but it would be a distinct departure from the logic on all prior models that is intended for safety and minimal phantom drain.
Yes, I'm sure that when both plugs are in, the communications channel opens up and as long as they keep responding, they will allow the switchover.
Yes, it does all this automatically, no manual failover.
 

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Could you help me understand the difference between going with Tesla's inverter/wall connector vs. using the nema 14-50 directly? What is the amperage output difference and how would it work in practice. Power goes out, then what in both connection scenarios?
Simple, communications. PowerShare talks to the house.
 


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That's dumb - so in addition to $100k, we need to pay another $4,000 to a Tesla installer?
It absolutely could, depending on the installation requirements. But up to $4k is included.
 

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based on the diagrams on tesla website the gateway needs to sit between the main panel and the power meter. and i believe the wall connector connects directly to the gateway. not sure if that can be accomplished by moving the subpanel the wall connector is connected to connect to the gateway or not.
That's not good in my case since the meter and panel are on the opposite side of my house than the garage where the now gen 2 wall connector is and would-be universal connector. I would have to run either a long wire for the gateway or for the universal connector, if I can't use the sub panel.

you don't need 2 separate circuits, you can power 2 wall connectors from a single <insert size here> amp circuit. the wall connectors will talk to each other and share the power if more then 1 car is plugged in.
We did see this was possible when setting up what we did. However, I originally had a Model 3 and a mini-van so we only had 1 line going up for 1 wall connector originally. After getting the second tesla and wall connector, we opted to just add another 60amp breaker and run a separate line to the second wall connector, then tie them together via wifi to power-share between them.
 

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im not sure why we need instant power like a whole home UPS ... i think the benefits of that highly outweigh the benefits. maybe they could do something like they do on powerwalls before a storm and do that only when a storm is expected or something. but i would not want it to remain active allt he time its plugged in.
In my particular case I live in a rural area where power tends to flicker on and off rapidly about 3-6 times before the power completely goes out. Sometimes it just flickers and then stays on. I don’t know the exact reason it happens on all occasions so it’s pure speculation, but storms definitely are a cause sometimes, sometimes not, aside from that the guess would be a tree falls on a line or brushes against it roughly or someone hits a power pole in a car accident. The point being it isn’t predictable enough to be “only” when a storm approaches.
I have enough electronics in the house I’d rather not have ruined by weird power fluctuations and a whole home UPS would solve this problem perfectly. I’m not currently concerned about keeping power for any extended period of time, I have a portable generator I can use for the fridge and freezer if absolutely necessary, and nothing else is absolutely necessary beyond those items.

At some point in the future I would like to entertain the thought of getting solar and powerwall for decreased energy costs, but I’m already planning to get a Cybertruck in the next year. If Cybertruck can serve as this whole home UPS for just a few minutes to allow enough time to turn off electronics properly, that’s all I am concerned about. That would allow me to extend the timeframe of getting solar and power walls much farther into the future.
 

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good luck, i also have a 100 amp subpanel in the garage on the opposite side of my house with a finished basement in between. hence why i doubt i will be using powershare because it hink it will be very expensive for their installer to do it. if i could get the equipment i would probbally do it myself but thats not going to happen either. so ill just use the nema 14-50 i guess... better then a gas generator with dirty power.
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