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The entire surface you are looking at is open, that is an egress. Especially given the draft angle that usually accompanies injection modeling.
Rollers are snap locked onto their axles, I think.
Right, any part of the track that is not actively holding the tonneau bearings is open.

However, if something ends up in the track between the bearings, there isn't much of an escape route.
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Right, any part of the track that is not actively holding the tonneau bearings is open.

However, if something ends up in the track between the bearings, there isn't much of an escape route.
Why not from between the bearings? There is a lot of space there.
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Why not from between the bearings? There is a lot of space there.
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In this image, the tonneau assembly is partially disassembled. Ordinarily, the bearings are not visible from the top. The bearings are less constrained once they transit beyond the rubber seal of the rail assembly, at the back window.
 

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The fact that your local SC completely covered the tonneau cover repair is great news. Now run out and buy a lottery ticket as luck seems to be on your side.
We have had 5 Tesla over 8 years, still have 4 of them. My experience is they rarely need any care, and when they do need service, it's often free of charge. When they do bill me, the price has always been very reasonable. They billed me for a brake cleaning and lube once and also for a four-wheel alignment for a car I had just bought locally that had severely uneven tire wear (previous owner must have hit a curb). Always free or very reasonable prices. I've always been satisfied with the quality of the work.

I was very surprised when I brought one of our Model 3s in for a new front under-fairing, the old one had ripped off from plowing over frozen snow plow debris 18" tall at the bottom of my driveway, and a pretty young service writer sent me on my way with a smile, no charge! That's not gonna happen at a legacy auto dealership! I was expecting to pay around $250-$300 (but only that little because I already knew Tesla Service has good prices).

The Service Centers have never been operated as a profit center like traditional dealerships.
 

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The amount of dust in your under-bed and under-frunk area does not actually seem like a lot. You can still see through it! That stuff is insidious. I suspect you were actually lucky - you did the haul road when it was dry and dusty. Normally they have trucks (oil-company-owned) that drive along and spray calcium chloride on the road to keep the dust down - that stuff etches any metal it touches. I have two BMW motorcycles that will never be the same after riding to Deadhorse on damp surfaces - all the engine and other exposed metal is permanently etched, and there’s mud dust stuck in places that mechanics will be finding it for years to come.

I believe that some of this is due to Tesla’s SoCal-centric engineering focus. I removed the underbody panels on two early Model S versions to install after-market trailer hitches. Both had huge amounts of dirt caked on top of the body-wide panels that had a honey-combed interior service, so were perfect for catching and holding anything that got in there. One mud pack was over an inch deep and weighed many pounds. It was also jammed behind the fender wells, which at the time were made out of a strange felt that was probably okay in California’s coastal regions but nowhere else. Snow would accumulate on them, etc.

When I pointed out the dirt intrusion issue to Tesla executives and techs, they acknowledged that the dirt accumulation problem was a real design issue - despite that fact that there were no obvious open gaps of significance. I’m my case, the cars were not driven regularly on dirt roads, although my farm driveway is a mile-long gravel road. Ever since that time I have made it a practice to remove all underbody panels every year in every Tesla I have owned and power wash everything visible - it is on the schedule to do between Christmas and New Years eve every year. I have a 4-post vehicle lift, which makes it a lot easier than in a driveway, but to me, hidden dirt removal on a Tesla is just required routine maintenance.
 


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We have had 5 Tesla over 8 years, still have 4 of them. My experience is they rarely need any care, and when they do need service, it's often free of charge. When they do bill me, the price has always been very reasonable. They billed me for a brake cleaning and lube once and also for a four-wheel alignment for a car I had just bought locally that had severely uneven tire wear (previous owner must have hit a curb). Always free or very reasonable prices. I've always been satisfied with the quality of the work.

I was very surprised when I brought one of our Model 3s in for a new front under-fairing, the old one had ripped off from plowing over frozen snow plow debris 18" tall at the bottom of my driveway, and a pretty young service writer sent me on my way with a smile, no charge! That's not gonna happen at a legacy auto dealership! I was expecting to pay around $250-$300 (but only that little because I already knew Tesla Service has good prices).

The Service Centers have never been operated as a profit center like traditional dealerships.
Tesla modified that statement 180 degrees - it was an original Elon commitment in 2012 - they now show service profit and have normal shop rates - the concept of zero-profit service went the way of free supercharging that Elon initially said would be forever and for every Tesla. My first three teslas had it, but then Tesla saw the light. Tesla today is a for-profit business in ALL of its segments. They do normal ROI analysis and internally insist on every division carrying its own weight and providing a similar ROI to their market-leading gross sales margins on new vehicles.
 

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Tesla modified that statement 180 degrees - it was an original Elon commitment in 2012 - they now show service profit and have normal shop rates - the concept of zero-profit service went the way of free supercharging that Elon initially said would be forever and for every Tesla. My first three teslas had it, but then Tesla saw the light. Tesla today is a for-profit business in ALL of its segments. They do normal ROI analysis and internally insist on every division carrying its own weight and providing a similar ROI to their market-leading gross sales margins on new vehicles.
The profit is for "services and other" which, per the 10-K "includes services and other, which includes sales of used vehicles, non-warranty maintenance services and collision, part sales, paid Supercharging, insurance services revenue and retail merchandise sales. "
Q2 deck: "Services and Other gross profit grew 64% sequentially, partly due to improved Supercharging gross profit generation from increased volume. We added over 2,900 net new Supercharging stalls, growing the network 18% year-over-year."
 

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The profit is for "services and other" which, per the 10-K "includes services and other, which includes sales of used vehicles, non-warranty maintenance services and collision, part sales, paid Supercharging, insurance services revenue and retail merchandise sales. "
Q2 deck: "Services and Other gross profit grew 64% sequentially, partly due to improved Supercharging gross profit generation from increased volume. We added over 2,900 net new Supercharging stalls, growing the network 18% year-over-year."
correct. The profit from nonwarranty service is in that line item. Glad to see I'm not the only one reading Ks and Qs. Or was this AI?
 
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Tesla modified that statement 180 degrees - it was an original Elon commitment in 2012 - they now show service profit and have normal shop rates - the concept of zero-profit service went the way of free supercharging that Elon initially said would be forever and for every Tesla. My first three teslas had it, but then Tesla saw the light. Tesla today is a for-profit business in ALL of its segments. They do normal ROI analysis and internally insist on every division carrying its own weight and providing a similar ROI to their market-leading gross sales margins on new vehicles.
Incorrect. Because warranty work consumes any profit they make on service. Sure, they run it like a business but, unlike legacy dealerships, they are not looking at it like a profit center. I generally have to talk Tesla Service into doing things like cleaning and lubing my brakes, even though they will bill me and make a small profit. A traditional dealership is always trying to find things to do to your car so they can bill you more. Tesla is not like that.
 

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The profit is for "services and other" which, per the 10-K "includes services and other, which includes sales of used vehicles, non-warranty maintenance services and collision, part sales, paid Supercharging, insurance services revenue and retail merchandise sales. "
Q2 deck: "Services and Other gross profit grew 64% sequentially, partly due to improved Supercharging gross profit generation from increased volume. We added over 2,900 net new Supercharging stalls, growing the network 18% year-over-year."
Thank you for bringing reality to the table again. And the profit in the most recent year, from the segments of paid Supercharging, retail merchandise, used vehicle sales, non-warranty maintenance, collision services, part sales, and insurance was only $613 million. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that most of it came from merchandise sales (including Wall Connectors and Mobile Connectors), Tesla collision, auto insurance, Supercharging and parts sales, not repair services. Once you include warranty work (and goodwill non-warranty repairs), Tesla Service loses money.

Repair services revenue/profit is a drop in the bucket of total revenues/profits. Unlike traditional dealerships, it will never be Tesla's bread and butter. That's not how management looks at it.
 


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Incorrect. Because warranty work consumes any profit they make on service. Sure, they run it like a business but, unlike legacy dealerships, they are not looking at it like a profit center. I generally have to talk Tesla Service into doing things like cleaning and lubing my brakes, even though they will bill me and make a small profit. A traditional dealership is always trying to find things to do to your car so they can bill you more. Tesla is not like that.
Completely wrong. Warranty work is not an expense anywhere in Tesla’s financials. It is an offset to gross sales. This is my area, as a retired public company CFO, sitting currently on two public company boards, chairing an audit committee. I also teach financial analysis of public companies at the graduate level. Warranty costs are incorporated as an offset to automotive sales at the time of sale in a balance sheet reserve account, and all costs actually incurred later during the warranty period are charged to that balance sheet reserve account, not to the income statement, which reflects the reserves in the gross sales number at the point of sale.


It is amazing that fanbois continue to cling to this myth. I have discussed it with senior Tesla execs during visits I hosted with state officials to help them overcome the sales showroom legal hurdles, and they laugh that people still believe this old trope. One went so far as to point out to me that the idea that Tesla does anything on a nonprofit basis should be marketed “paid” given that its largest shareholder is the world’s wealthiest person and has no compunction about negotiating an extraordinary pay package (which I support) in public. Yes, folks, surprise - Tesla really is about making money. Changing the world may have once been a worthy objective, but in reality it was part of a greenwash marketing shtick - let’s be serious about who benefits most from its structure and presence in the capital markets - shareholders and Elon Musk - as it should be. Tesla isn’t giving anything away in service except for profit-motivated customer goodwill, which I have experienced, but also have experienced from Mercedes, Porsche, Ford and BMW, with two NDAs to show for it.
 

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Thank you for bringing reality to the table again. And the profit in the most recent year, from the segments of paid Supercharging, retail merchandise, used vehicle sales, non-warranty maintenance, collision services, part sales, and insurance was only $613 million. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that most of it came from merchandise sales (including Wall Connectors and Mobile Connectors), Tesla collision, auto insurance, Supercharging and parts sales, not repair services. Once you include warranty work (and goodwill non-warranty repairs), Tesla Service loses money.

Repair services revenue/profit is a drop in the bucket of total revenues/profits. Unlike traditional dealerships, it will never be Tesla's bread and butter. That's not how management looks at it.
Based on zero evidence. I bring receipts. You bring fanboi wishful thinking and old-news obsolete history.
 

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Completely wrong. Warranty work is not an expense anywhere in Tesla’s financials. It is an offset to gross sales. This is my area, as a retired public company CFO, sitting currently on two public company boards, chairing an audit committee. I also teach financial analysis of public companies at the graduate level. Warranty costs are incorporated as an offset to automotive sales at the time of sale in a balance sheet reserve account, and all costs actually incurred later during the warranty period are charged to that balance sheet reserve account, not to the income statement, which reflects the reserves in the gross sales number at the point of sale.


It is amazing that fanbois continue to cling to this myth. I have discussed it with senior Tesla execs during visits I hosted with state officials to help them overcome the sales showroom legal hurdles, and they laugh that people still believe this old trope. One went so far as to point out to me that the idea that Tesla does anything on a nonprofit basis should be marketed “paid” given that its largest shareholder is the world’s wealthiest person and has no compunction about negotiating an extraordinary pay package (which I support) in public. Yes, folks, surprise - Tesla really is about making money. Changing the world may have once been a worthy objective, but in reality it was part of a greenwash marketing shtick - let’s be serious about who benefits most from its structure and presence in the capital markets - shareholders and Elon Musk - as it should be. Tesla isn’t giving anything away in service except for profit-motivated customer goodwill, which I have experienced, but also have experienced from Mercedes, Porsche, Ford and BMW, with two NDAs to show for it.
You completely missed the point!

My comment was not about accounting, it's that Tesla doesn't think of their service centers as profit centers. If they did, they would be charging a whole lot more.

And by the way, warranty work is an expense, it's simply not broken out in the financials. Call it an 'offset' if you want to obscure the truth, but it's an expense.
 

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Based on zero evidence. I bring receipts. You bring fanboi wishful thinking and old-news obsolete history.
You don't bring receipts, you delete them and then lie about it. You claimed Tesla has the highest death rate of any manufacturer and laugh at people who believe they are one of the safest vehicles. Then you delete your post and pretend like you didn't say such an obviously false thing.

A number of forum members saw your despicable behavior, you are fooling no one. You have no receipts. This is what's wrong with the world today, too many people with no honor.
 

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Since pressure washing while on an epic roadtrip isn't always practical, I wonder if having an electric leaf blower would help a little in trying to reduce the dust load.
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