Ordered a Rivian R1T after owning a Cybertruck for three months

[CyberTally]

I've had my Cybertruck for three months. Last week, I ordered a 2025 Rivian R1T Adventure Dual Max with an estimated range of 420 miles. I'm expecting delivery of my Rivian in Sep-Oct.

I'm plan on keeping my Cybertruck for at least a year. Hopefully they won't have to be in for service at the same time.

I'm anticipating the R1T to have 30% more range than my Cybertruck. This extended range battery doesn't take up space in the load bed like the Cybertruck's range extender. The Rivian offers two additional advantages. When towing with the Cybertruck, we have to drop the trailer in order to back up to the Supercharger. On the Rivian, the charging port is in front of the front wheels, meaning we can pull straight in up to the charger. The Rivian can charge at many of the Superchargers that I use on a regular basis. Also, the Rivian has storage space for a full size spare tire, like most other pickups. The spare tire in my Cybertruck takes up half of the load bed. Both the Cybertruck and Rivian have a maximum towing capacity of 11,000 pounds. For the reasons stated above, the Rivian will definitely be my towing vehicle of choice.

The R1T Gen 2 truck includes Rivian's Autonomy Platform+ (Trial included through 2024), which includes 11 high-resolution cameras, including new 4K HDR units, ultrasonic sensors, and five advanced radars, including a Front Imaging Radar, detecting objects up to 1,000-feet away even in challenging weather and lighting conditions. These radars serve as a vital backup to the cameras. I liked having radar and ultrasonic sensors on my Model 3. I like having sensors that can see in unfavorable conditions.

Dual NVIDIA DRIVE Orin processors running DRIVE OS help power the Autonomy Compute Module on Rivian's second generation R1, performing over 250 trillion operations per second. Tesla is ahead of Rivian with FSD v.12, but Rivian had the hardware needed to catch up.

The price of the R1T Dual-motor AWD is $69,900, plus $14,000 for the Max battery, for a total of $83,900.
For more info, see https://stories.rivian.com/meet-the-new-r1

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[HaulingAss]

I've had my Cybertruck for three months. Last week, I ordered a 2025 Rivian R1T Adventure Dual Max with an estimated range of 420 miles. I'm expecting delivery of my Rivian in Sep-Oct.

I'm plan on keeping my Cybertruck for at least a year. Hopefully they won't have to be in for service at the same time.

I'm anticipating the R1T to have 30% more range than my Cybertruck. This extended range battery doesn't take up space in the load bed like the Cybertruck's range extender. The Rivian offers two additional advantages. When towing with the Cybertruck, we have to drop the trailer in order to back up to the Supercharger. On the Rivian, the charging port is in front of the front wheels, meaning we can pull straight in up to the charger. The Rivian can charge at many of the Superchargers that I use on a regular basis. Also, the Rivian has storage space for a full size spare tire, like most other pickups. The spare tire in my Cybertruck takes up half of the load bed. Both the Cybertruck and Rivian have a maximum towing capacity of 11,000 pounds. For the reasons stated above, the Rivian will definitely be my towing vehicle of choice.

The R1T Gen 2 truck includes Rivian's Autonomy Platform+ (Trial included through 2024), which includes 11 high-resolution cameras, including new 4K HDR units, ultrasonic sensors, and five advanced radars, including a Front Imaging Radar, detecting objects up to 1,000-feet away even in challenging weather and lighting conditions. These radars serve as a vital backup to the cameras. I liked having radar and ultrasonic sensors on my Model 3. I like having sensors that can see in unfavorable conditions.

Dual NVIDIA DRIVE Orin processors running DRIVE OS help power the Autonomy Compute Module on Rivian's second generation R1, performing over 250 trillion operations per second. Tesla is ahead of Rivian with FSD v.12, but Rivian had the hardware needed to catch up.

The price of the R1T Dual-motor AWD is $69,900, plus $14,000 for the Max battery, for a total of $83,900.
For more info, see https://stories.rivian.com/meet-the-new-r1

Enjoy your Rivian!

Unfortunately, it costs Rivian more to make each vehicle than they can sell them for. They have been whittling away at the cost to produce, but they are getting to the point where it's going to be harder to eliminate all losses.

Not that's not your problem as long as they keep the doors open, I mention it because the price is artificial and unsustainable. It's fake competition that cannot sustain itself. But as long as Rivian can keep getting more cash lifelines (like they just did from VW), they will keep making them in relatively small numbers. The problem from a consumer perspective happens if and when the cash dries up. Because there is no guarantee they will ever be able to compete with other automakers without investor subsidies.

I'm not trying to throw shade, I'm just being realistic with what I'm seeing about the way they operate. Hopefully they are able to increase manufacturing efficiencies, so they get to not only gross profit, but also eventually a net profit. Tesla in the early days was profitable on a gross basis almost every quarter. Meaning each additional car they sold helped them out financially, even though they were still losing money overall (because they weren't selling enough cars at a high enough gross profit). Rivian is the opposite, each additional car they sell causes bigger losses. Yes, the gross loss per car has declined dramaitcally, but there should have been gross profits per car from near the beginning. Elon always believed there was no point in selling a car for less than it cost you to make it, that you should sell cars designed to cost less to make than they were worth on the free market. Anyone can build nice cars, the question is can they be built for less than their actual market value?

I would like to see Rivian remain in business for the long haul.

 

[CyberGus]

I would like to see Rivian remain in business for the long haul

I see what you did there

 

[Macgreiner]

Thanks for the logic. Always interested in hearing from existing owners along with their particular use cases.

 

[sean-techventures]

This read like an ad...

 

[REM]

This read like an ad...

Because it is. I hope the admin deletes it.

 

[SCTesla]

I don't think the sensor suite makes any difference with Rivian. They don't have the backend compute power, capital, fleet, or time to catch Tesla. I doubt they ever have anything more than EAP. That said, the Rivian is a great vehicle. The interior is really nice, decent software suite (not as good as Tesla), great range and charging, great performance.

Enjoy it.

 

[mongo]

On the Rivian, the charging port is in front of the front wheels, meaning we can pull straight in up to the charger. The Rivian can charge at many of the Superchargers that I use on a regular basis.

That assumes sufficient space behind the truck and trailer so that: you can even nose it, you don't block the lane/other spots, you can reverse out of it

 

[scottf200]

I've had my Cybertruck for three months. Last week, I ordered a 2025 Rivian R1T Adventure Dual Max with an estimated range of 420 miles. I'm expecting delivery of my Rivian in Sep-Oct.

The Rivian Gen 2s have an impressive set of changes. They understood the assignment.

Their V2H is higher than all the current EV Pickups as well AFAIK.

• 9.6 kW - Ford Charge Station Pro
• 11 kW - Rivian R2 AC V2H
• 11.5 kW - Tesla Powershare
• 24 kW - Rivian R1/R2 DC V2H (link to VP comments)

 

[sean-techventures]

Exactly. Even if you could, I've never seen any charging station that allows charging with an attached trailer. You'd definitely get stares as people try to get around you.

 

[scottf200]

decent software suite (not as good as Tesla)

However, they really seems to have OTAs nailed down and put them [out] every few weeks. They are adding features regularly.

History and release notes: https://riviantrackr.com/history/
ElectraFI-COM (TeslaFI-COM): https://www.electrafi.com/firmwareRivian.php

 

[SCTesla]

However, they really seems to have OTAs nailed down and put them every few weeks. They are adding features regularly.

History and release notes: https://riviantrackr.com/history/
ElectraFI-COM (TeslaFI-COM): https://www.electrafi.com/firmwareRivian.php

Agreed. That's why Volkswagon invested in them, but I have 2 friends with a Rivian and they still don't like the mobile app or nav as much as Teslas. Both wish they had Carplay.

 

[scottf200]

they still don't like the mobile app or nav as much as Teslas.

Interesting. I'm not familiar with the mobile app but I see that riviantrackr site had history for it as well.
https://riviantrackr.com/app_update/

Looks like they added Trailer profiles recently. (Ford was one of the 1st with this I think).
One good thing is that features that the other company's apps have can be evaluated and see if it makes sense to 'copy' or improve upon them.

• Android app images: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rivian.android.consumer&hl=en_US
• Apple app images: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rivian/id1570215232

 

[mongo]

The Rivian Gen 2s have an impressive set changes. They understood the assignment.

Their V2H is higher than all the current EV Pickups as well AFAIK.

• 9.6 kW - Ford Charge Station Pro
• 11 kW - Rivian R2 AC V2H
• 11.5 kW - Tesla Powershare
• 24 kW - Rivian R1/R2 DC V2H (link to VP comments)

While Tesla does not have a DC link home backup system, I feel like a setup which requires an external inverter should be grouped in a different class than one that is fully onboard. (All systems need a disconnect switch)

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