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[jerhenderson]

I really dont get the fascination with panel gaps. The panel gaps are probably .001% of the functional engineering that goes into one of the most high tech vehicles on the planet. But since people see it they focus on it i guess. I promise you wont be that concerned when its in your driveway performing great in 99% of the meaningful ways it needs to.

if that's the state of my CT upon delivery my grin will wrap around my skull.

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[anionic1]

if that's the state of my CT upon delivery my grin will wrap around my skull.

Right. I don’t get people that haven’t learned in life to not hyper focus on life’s panel gaps. If they are horrendous that’s one thing but if it’s close I am good to go.

 

[cvalue13]

Right. I don’t get people that haven’t learned in life to not hyper focus on life’s panel gaps. If they are horrendous that’s one thing but if it’s close I am good to go.

so as between a unit with perfect panel alignment, vs one with various imperfect alignments, you're saying your genuinely agnostic as to which one you would choose?

I can't help but be dubious that folks are being a bit defensive and (perhaps unintentionally) disingenuous when they say things like "i don't care about panel gaps / fingerprints" etc.

At best, it would seem they might at least say/acknowledge "I know I'm in the minority here, and I understand why the majority of people do care, but..."

If I'm paying good money for a product (including with an understanding that I one day may need to resell that product), I care - and I think it obvious that the vast majority care.

Including Tesla

For those that genuinely don't care, maybe Tesla should create a separate reservation line for 'scratch and dent' units ...

 

[anionic1]

so as between a unit with perfect panel alignment, vs one with various imperfect alignments, you're saying your genuinely agnostic as to which one you would choose?

I can't help but be dubious that folks are being a bit defensive and (perhaps unintentionally) disingenuous when they say things like "i don't care about panel gaps / fingerprints" etc.

At best, it would seem they might at least say/acknowledge "I know I'm in the minority here, and I understand why the majority of people do care, but..."

If I'm paying good money for a product (including with an understanding that I one day may need to resell that product), I care - and I think it obvious that the vast majority care.

Including Tesla

For those that genuinely don't care, maybe Tesla should create a separate reservation line for 'scratch and dent' units ...

You should see my current truck. I see my vehicle as mostly a tool and I am ok with some rust on my wrenches. Obviously I want it to be an 8 or 9 out of 10 out of just generally not wanting to drive something that looks like a POS. But slightly imperfect panel gaps are not a problem. Obviously a vehicle shouldn’t come from the factory scratched and if you are worried about fingerprints a bare stainless steel finish is not right for you. And price matters a lot. If the CT is around $60k I will say slight panel alignment issues are acceptable. If it’s $100k that’s a different story. But we also have to accept that this is a plate steel exterior which is much harder to control than gauged steel. And if you want low cost that almost always correlated to simplicity of hardware and manufacturing tolerances. Sure Tesla could put complex hinges that allow them to dial in panel gaps and they could reject more panels that aren’t within crazy tolerances, but this is a consumer vehicle meant for high production. It would be foolish to do that.

So yes, I will be forgiving of panel gaps, minor scratches and fingerprints on my stainless steel truck.

 

[kbolt]

Yes but I think they did rush the overall design phase to get this released or there is some tolerance issue with some components under the hood. I have not really seen a release candidate with a hood that's flush. I'm sure when they design everything and go through tooling, sometimes the puzzle of 10,000 pieces do not always fit correctly.

Everything look great to me except the hood...those ambient light bars are dope.

You think the design phase was rushed? How many years should it have taken lol?

 

[CyberGus]

so as between a unit with perfect panel alignment, vs one with various imperfect alignments, you're saying your genuinely agnostic as to which one you would choose?

I can't help but be dubious that folks are being a bit defensive and (perhaps unintentionally) disingenuous when they say things like "i don't care about panel gaps / fingerprints" etc.

At best, it would seem they might at least say/acknowledge "I know I'm in the minority here, and I understand why the majority of people do care, but..."

If I'm paying good money for a product (including with an understanding that I one day may need to resell that product), I care - and I think it obvious that the vast majority care.

Including Tesla

For those that genuinely don't care, maybe Tesla should create a separate reservation line for 'scratch and dent' units ...

Perhaps "I don't care" is too strong a sentiment, when "it's a minor issue" is more accurate.

 

[CostcoSamples]

panel gaps are an easy way to judge build quality. if the body panels are off, one must assume the drivetrain tolerances could be off as well.

 

[cvalue13]

Perhaps "I don't care" is too strong a sentiment, when "it's a minor issue" is more accurate.

yeah

comment intended to be less about they *I* and more about the *I don’t get others*

 

[cvalue13]

You think the design phase was rushed? How many years should it have taken lol?

traditional OEM's may take 6+ years from design to first production

not saying Tesla is/isn't rushed

only saying that 4 years isn't a *long* time

other OEM's simply wouldn't have publicly unveiled the product until deeper in the process

 

[Diehard]

Fifth Element?

Best Bruce Willis movie ever. Sad he's not doing so well.

The taxi scene with music was so future NYC.

Yea looks tight, Musk is 188, Netanyahu 184, neither super tall, but not short either.

Me thinks the seats were a little higher than they needed to be, so they could sit more 'majestically' for the cameramen. Musk does look cramped leaning over the wheel.

I think Jay needs to take a second ride in the new CT so we can compare. His original post made me drool over CT interior (Except the dash)

only saying that 4 years isn't a *long* time

Keep in mind Start of CT design to production (which I don't beleave we are officially in yet) is more than that. I am not sure when the design started but it must have been a while before 2019 when it was revealed.

 

[cvalue13]

Keep in mind Start of CT design to production (which I don't beleave we are officially in yet) is more than that. I am not sure when the design started but it must have been a while before 2019 when it was revealed.

according to recent reports, it didn’t start too long before reveal!!

 

[Diehard]

according to recent reports, it didn’t start too long before reveal!!

It looks like in 2017 they had already put pen on paper (or clicks on the screen). Thank GOD we didn't get that design:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-pickup-truck-production-after-model-y/

 

[wtibbit]

panel gaps are an easy way to judge build quality. if the body panels are off, one must assume the drivetrain tolerances could be off as well.

"Can assume" - yes.

"Must assume" - no.

Moreover, I could assume that, but I don't, because I can more safely assume that different design and production teams, working with different design and production specifications were working on those two very different parts of the vehicle.

 

[Crissa]

"Can assume" - yes.

"Must assume" - no.

Moreover, I could assume that, but I don't, because I can more safely assume that different design and production teams, working with different design and production specifications were working on those two very different parts of the vehicle.

Also, you can use alignment pins and structures which would be unacceptable on the exterior.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

I'm not sure tolerances are directly related to costs, if at the same time tolerances in panel gaps adds work time to align and therefore extra cost? If anything dialing in the machines so everything fits first time would reduce costs? It's not like they are making the panels in a sweat shop with a bunch of variables, most of it is automated fabrication, so getting that right might take some time, and some samples, but the end effect will be pretty good retail models to keep that production line pumping out CTs.

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