2024 Cybertruck Official Specs Leaked?! 😱 - Udated With Compare/Analysis

[bjhinkle]

I think you're under estimating the MPH when charging on 220/240V.

At 40 amps charging my MYLR gets 35 or so MPH on my home charger, at 48 I get around 40 MPH.

Yes, you are correct, that is what I meant. I have fixed it. Thanks!

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[Roy2001]

Thanks - I selected the Lariat ER as what I view to be the relevant trim comparison to the CT, just in terms of tech, interior, range, etc. Obviously a subjective position, and one could see it differently.

That said, the stats you provided make me question if I have the right Lariat ER in my other chart (awaiting more CT info). Admittedly, keeping track of the different stats of ~6 different vehicles, across model years and changes, is a bit discombobulating. (But I did take the 8,550 GVWR off my Lariat ER)

do you have corrections here I should look into? were you looking at 2023 stats, or?

RANGE & PERFORMANCE	CYBERTRUCK (Dual/Perf)		LIGHTNING (Lariat ER)
Battery Size (kWh)	[?]		131
Range (EPA)	[?]/[?]		320
0-60 (sec.)	[?]/[?]		3.9
Horse Power	[?]/[?]		580
Torque	[?]/[?]		775
Curb Weight (lb.)	6,870 / 6,890		6,794
GVWR (lb.)	[?]		8,550
Payload (lb.)	[?]/[?]		1,952
Towing (lb.)	11,000 +4WS		10,000
Tongue Wght. Max (lb.)	1,110		1,000
MSRP ($) [as of Nov. 30, 2024]	[?]		75,585

Sorry did not mean you made mistake or so. Acutally thank you for your hard work to compile all the information.

I checked again, Spec sheet says ER Curb Weight is actually 6361 lb, 6597lb is with 20 inch A/T Tire. 2023 Ford F-150® Lightning® Lariat Electric Truck | Model Details & Specs

MSRP for Larriat ER is $77495, destination is $1995.

 

[firsttruck]

I've owned Toyota cars and found them reliable. I interpreted the BZ4X comments as that specific car was junk, not that all Toyotas were.

But I don't know what the BZ4X comment author was thinking. ?‍

Yes, exactly. I was commenting on Toyota BEV not Toyota ICE.

Just like Nokia, Blackberry, Motorola, Kodak, etc - just because a company was successful and reliable at older technology does it mean they will successful and reliable at newest technology.

Toyota even had years extra time to observe BEV market and leap-frog ahead but so far Toyota has failed.

Toyota might have earned a good reputation from decades of experience with ICE and hybrids but Toyota has so far failed at BEVs after Toyota made big deal about their BEV the BZ4X.

Toyota is still slagging on BEVs and that customers don't really want BEVs while Toyota is hyping hydrogen ( even hydrogen combustion!!!).

 

[PilotPete]

On a related note...

Guess who held the first patent for digital photography? Kodak did way back in the early 80's. And they sat on the patent so that no one could develop one and put them out of business. But did they spend that time working on the technology to come out as the leader when this rolled out? Nope, they just sat on the patent and kept doing business as usual. When the patent expired, technology had exponentially advanced and the world passed them by like they were standing still. Mostly because, well, they WERE standing still. Kodak tried to private label someone else's DSLR, but it was too late. Now Kodak has achieved RIP status, and no one worries about film any longer. They had the lead, and sat on it. They let everyone else move into the late 20th century, and they did nothing.

Sound anything like the legacy OEMs today???

 

[PilotPete]

Worth double-clicking on this “12kW” game of telephone

started by TFL saying (and me relaying they said) they can’t make out what the embossing (?) on the plug says, but maybe it says “2kW”

from there, folks rightfully noted that 2kW would be a weird power, so maybe it says 12kW. But that interpretation assumes the label says anything about kW at all.

But I don’t think that’s a correct assumption. (And the TFL guys aren’t exactly detail oriented.)

here’s a better photo (from their video, of their monitor), which I’ve enhanced a little

I think the upper label inbetween the the upper plugs says “120v”, while the lower label they’re pointing at says “120/220v”

third, what’s fairly visible in the lower label is:

“1xx/2xxx”

I did an analysis of the photograph and had it enhanced with the same software they use on the FBI TV shows. It says;

"11/30/2023"

Could be a clue?

 

[4Dolio]

To be a work truck you are going to want to run a welder https://www.millerwelds.com/equipme...ultimatic-220-acdc-multiprocess-welder-m30190. This says you need a generator that can do 10kw. And tesla already has a inverter. The inverter from the Powerwall 3 that would have 11.5kw. That is my vote for the power output combined on the outlets. But that would put us over 50 amps so maybe just 11kw

That is a reasonable guess as well. It would make sense to reuse some of their existing off the shelf hardware. I wonder if there is any possibility that the CT could stack with a Power wall like they do for normal stationary? I would guess probably not, but it would be neat.

Tangent: I believe the Lightning can both run the inverter and be EVSE j1772 charging simultaneously... Making it act as a sort of large UPS. Practical application might include a PV driven EVSE using the truck as a large buffer battery.

I did an analysis of the photograph and had it enhanced with the same software they use on the FBI TV shows. It says;

"11/30/2023"

Could be a clue?

This howEVer might be the best forensics thus far unfortunately. Or fortunately, depending on your disposition.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

On a related note...

Guess who held the first patent for digital photography? Kodak did way back in the early 80's. And they sat on the patent so that no one could develop one and put them out of business. But did they spend that time working on the technology to come out as the leader when this rolled out? Nope, they just sat on the patent and kept doing business as usual. When the patent expired, technology had exponentially advanced and the world passed them by like they were standing still. Mostly because, well, they WERE standing still. Kodak tried to private label someone else's DSLR, but it was too late. Now Kodak has achieved RIP status, and no one worries about film any longer. They had the lead, and sat on it. They let everyone else move into the late 20th century, and they did nothing.

Sound anything like the legacy OEMs today???

On the same note, I come from the bicycle industry. When I opened my first store in 1988 I wanted Schwinn. I invited them to come visit and consider letting us represent the line. They laughed. Schwinn along with Coke were some of the most recognizable brands and logo's on the country. Dominated the industry. No one was close in the US.

Then Edward Jr took over and opened manufacturing overseas and out of the country. That hurt brand loyalty but the nail in the coffin was Jr's decision to ignore the new trend in the industry. Company's like Specialized and individuals like Gary Fisher, Ritchey, Breeze and others got their foot in the door building fat tire clunkers (mountain bikes) and capitalized on the trend and were able to establish their dominance in what would become a huge part of the bicycle market. Schwinn refused to see it as anything more then a fad and ignored these upstarts.

By the time I sold my shops in 2011 Schwinn was relegated to selling cheap Asian bikes in stores like Walmart. Was sad to watch the decline of a great brand because of the foolish, stubborn decisions of a man who could not see his market changing.

 

[cvalue13]

Sorry did not mean you made mistake or so. Acutally thank you for your hard work to compile all the information.

I checked again, Spec sheet says ER Curb Weight is actually 6361 lb, 6597lb is with 20 inch A/T Tire. 2023 Ford F-150® Lightning® Lariat Electric Truck | Model Details & Specs

MSRP for Larriat ER is $77495, destination is $1995.

No offense taken! I expected some of my figures would be muddled, and hoped the better and more singularly focused would come forward to correct.

And our back-and-forth only makes clear the challenge in nailing down a specific model, year, configuration, stats.

To that end:

Let's nail down what may be the easiest one, first, MSRP for Lariat ER (with Max tow). While the headline is MSRP is $77495, $500 of that assumes purchase of the trickle-charger (which I deleted), max tow is an additional $1,100 (which I added, to compare nearest apples-to-apples), but - what I didn't notice before - is that the online calculator automatically applied a $5,000 "available incentive" as follows:

• BASE MSRPS1
  $77,495
• OPTIONSS4
  + $450
• ACCESSORIESS8
  + $0
• DESTINATION CHARGESS17
  + $1,995
• ACQUISITION FEES18
  + $645
• TOTAL MSRPS16
  = $80,585
• AVAILABLE INCENTIVESS3
  - $5,000
• ESTIMATED NET PRICES5
  = $75,585

The build and price is unclear on the actual availability of this $5K incentive, but it appears to relate to a 'customer cash' deduction to the price that "may require Ford financing"?

So, I think conservatively, your 77,495 MSRP is correct (and certainly the number relevant to the tax incentive).

I've corrected my internal sheet accordingly, but not going to bother with updating the charts here (for now).

ON CURB WEIGHT ETC: I must've been looking at my (2022) specs, rather than 2023 specs, and have updated my internal chart to include the w/o 20" A/T curb weight, towing, and payload. (We'll see how apples-to-apples those elections are once CT specifics are known.)

 

[ModelXer]

the Maverick and Ram 1500 w/ 6’3” beds were listed as essentially just reference points of what, on one hand, a roomy mid-sized truck (Mav has the ~largest interior of the small trucks) with the smallest footprint, vs and on the other hand, a 1/2 ton “super cab” full-sized with a 6’+ bed comes in at for external dimensions.

put a little differently, the “Agility” chart shows:

• if you value small footprint/exteriors above all else, you want something like the Maverick - and you pay dearly in cargo

• if you want max interior room above all else, you want a full-sized super cab.

• that all makes normal since, but from there two BEVs brake the traditional code:

• the Lightning offers all the cab room, but more cargo area, than even a Ram with 6’3” bed, and at a smaller external footprint.

• the Cybertruck, offers most of the cab room compared to Lightning, nearly as much cargo as Lightning, and at a much smaller footprint than Lightning or esp the Ram 6’3”



and meanwhile, the Rivian instead in terms of interior room and cargo is sort of worst of both worlds from footprint and cargo relative to Lightning/CT. It doesn’t quite brake the code, in terms of eking our cargo and interior room from the lack of engine. But the Rivian has made those compromises not merely on bad packaging design, but also a focus on different capabilities - brakeover, speed, power, etc. And it’s price point, relative to interior/cargo size, goes to show that it’s a sort of niche vehicle in this respect.

That's good insight. I wonder why they didn't include the Colorado/Canyon?

(I'll be interested also to see the proposed Ranchero and, possibly, El Camino, though they're definitely not in this class.)

 

[CybertruckAgent]

If I might have two lines of conversation here?


The first is: these sorts of comments all contain some element of "I'm only interested in hearing about things straight from Tesla, officially" which I find an either odd or disingenuous take. You don't need to come to this forum to know that Tesla hasn't said anything official, and that they wont until Nov. 30.

Which sort of begs the question of what you're doing in a forum before Nov. 30, doesn't it?

Relatedly, since you've come here to a forum prior to Nov 30 knowing there's nothing official from Tesla, doubly odd to feel compelled to chime in with your prerogative, which adds zero to the conversation - not one rebuttal of a stat, not one observation of a substantive doubt, etc.

No, just a thrashing, whining, sort of exclamation of a principle "I only listen to official coms", which ironically reflects less on folks here (who don't share the principle), and more on yourselves for coming to a forum knowing damn well you wont find an official com from Tesla.

So the first thing is, what have I misunderstood? Was there some substantive contribution here, that's totally lost on me?



The second thing is: while you may have a "official coms only" principle, many of us don't. And it's for good reason. Because, if you pay close attention, long enough, some very reasonable conclusions can be made before Nov. 30.

And let's be clear here: not a single person here is talking about anything, including these stats, absent the theoretical knowledge that official coms form Tesla will be better than what we're doing here. We've moved past that annoyingly obvious, and useless, point.

But let's go ahead and give a double-click look as to how people paying close, long, attention here can arrive at reasonable conclusions (subject to qualifications, obvious to all of us).

Let's brake these down a little:

Generally Speaking: That such specs could come out about now, just weeks before delivery, is consistent with internal distribution of data to techs (training), marketing (making website changes), etc. These general conditions for veracity are amplified by the stats being attendant to obviously insider photographs. Finally, nothing in these stats is obviously wild or repugnant to reason. There's not a single stat included that gives anyone any reason to, out of hand, exclaim "that is impossible."

So, generally, conditions are ripe. What about the data specifics?

Overall length: 18.6 feet

What exactly do you disbelieve here? Musk has said the truck is sub-19'. You think it's instead 18.7 feet? 18.6? Do you have a single thing to contribute here that raises any doubt?​

Overall width (no mirrors): 79.9”

Anyone paying attention expects this figure. There are no marker lights on the CT, no location market lights could exist, and for related reasons it's SOP for trucks to be a hair below 80" wide.​

Overall height (medium setting): 70.5”

If anything, on its face, this is the most potentially head-turning number, given the CT is on 35s, and a Lighting is 78" tall. But we know the CT has adaptive air, no frame space underneath. And, the F150 height includes antennae.​

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But otherwise, what exactly is repugnant or unbelievable here?​

Wheelbase: 143”

Now, for each of the items above I've failed to mention that the stats are consistent with various kinds of work done around here by various people over the past many months.​

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As with those, here's just one piece of such type of work, done over 7 months ago (you'll just have to trust that it was at least somewhat reasonably concocted):​

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This and a dozen other previously-known bits of information are consistent with a 143" wheelbase.​

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Curb weights

• 2 motor 6,670 lbs
• 3 motor 6,890 lbs

I'll separately leave it to you to go sort out what is known about G/H class ratings, comps to similar BEV weights, etc., and then remind that Musk just told us the vehicles were near 7,000lbs​

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Accordingly, what's your objection here? That they may instead be 6,500lb and 6,750lbs? Does that contribute anything?​

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Tow rating: 11,000lbs

Here's where I expect butts begin to get hurt. "Where's my 2019 truck with 14K towing" they cry!​

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This tow rating is 1,000lbs greater than previously noted for the Dual. Do you disbelieve Tesla could best that?​

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As for hopes for the 2019 "Tri Motor," you're on your own there - leave the rest of us to the available info.​

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What's gonna really blow your sensitive noodle is backing into what payload would be for the two trucks, given the above stats. (hint: it's not 3,500)​

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Bed length length: 72.8”

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Musk has said it's "over 6 feet." 72.8" is over 6 feet.​

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"But, it used to be 6.5 feet!" you say.​

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If it was still 6.5', Musk wouldn't have said "over 6 feet."​

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Also, see again the above referenced months of measurement work that, for those paying attention, have made clear enough the bed is not longer 6.5'.​

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Bed Width: 51"

Use your eyes and look at the bed.​

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Frunk volume: 7.1 cubic feet

Here again, for those paying attention, this is exactly within expectations.​

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For just one example, this from months ago (the Lightning with 14.1ft3 volume)​

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Interior Measurements:

For months people paying attention have said the CT interior is narrow. There's no longer a 6th seat, supporting that it's narrow.​

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Otherwise, the CT's leg room and headroom are all within expectations of a roughly full-sized truck that is materially shorter than an F150.​

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No outlets in front, two outlet in rear 120v one 220v

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Given that all the above is an inordinately brief summary of observations people have collected and nit-picked for months around here, what exactly is your objection or contribution to the discussion?




If it sounds like this response is frustrated, you're right. It's as though a bunch of vintage watch enthusiasts are sitting around a table continuing a discussion they've been having for a year, and someone walks up and just exclaims, "people who like watches are stupid, and time isn't real if you really think about it."

It's non-contributory, lazy, rude, and a - frankly - reeks of butthurt from someone who wishes they had a watch, but their daddy never would let them buy one.

Of course, you have every right to inject whatever you want. But point of process: it's not *us* who walked into your conversation telling *you* to stop talking.


If you're only interested in direct coms from Tesla, don't click on a thread titled "specs leak" to come announce you don't believe in leaks.

Go instead and refresh the Tesla website.

You thoroughly summarized this thread, and might have ended it.

 

[Aces-Truck]

But was really looking to forward to writing on the tailgate (in grease pencil):

"Laugh it up, fuzzball

14,500 lbs towing capacity

And that's why you'll want the Bullet proof Door panels...

 

[pricedm]

You doubt our new overlords?

Q: can you convert that chart to a measurement unit of chicken size?

CSU

4.00 CSU

Please note that the "Chicken Size Units" (CSU) are a fictional and humorous unit of measurement and should not be taken seriously for actual comparisons.

Are the CSU metric or imperial? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[cvalue13]

That's good insight. I wonder why they didn't include the Colorado/Canyon?

*I* didn’t include it mostly in a whim. If nothing else, I thought keeping it “in the family” of ford’s would have some utility.

which on second thought, instead of the Ram 1500 with 6’3” box, a better choice may have been the Ford Super Crew with 6.5’ box. That might have given some idea of the Herculean task Tesla would have had in trying to fit the 6.5’ bed into the CT.

the ram was to show what a Supercrew with a nearlest 6’ bed looks like

but now I’m liking the idea of keeping it ford with the 6.5’ bed comparison

 

[KScheidt]

*I* didn’t include it mostly in a whim. If nothing else, I thought keeping it “in the family” of ford’s would have some utility.

which on second thought, instead of the Ram 1500 with 6’3” box, a better choice may have been the Ford Super Crew with 6.5’ box. That might have given some idea of the Herculean task Tesla would have had in trying to fit the 6.5’ bed into the CT.

the ram was to show what a Supercrew with a nearlest 6’ bed looks like

but now I’m liking the idea of keeping it ford with the 6.5’ bed comparison

Por que no los dos?

 

[cvalue13]

Porque no los dos?

Porque small charts good?

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