Lockers confirmed but not yet available! "Locking Differential Controls Coming Soon"

[Rutrow]

There you go thinking like an ICE owner.

You can't "just lock" the rear differential. Remember, there's two motors back there, each driving a different wheel. Sure, you could maybe lock it and shut a motor down, but you probably want the power from both, which means a little more work than "just lock"

There’s no rear differential on the Beast. ?

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[REM]

Oh come on… y’all are making all of us Fanbois look stupid. Diff lockers don’t need fine tuning. They need an on/off switch!!!

If Tesla wants some tech heavy torque vectoring program, that’s only applicable when the differential isn’t locked, let ‘em fine tune some limited slip system for that. But “locked” is locked. And when we need locked, just lock it. ?

Is it possible to damage a vehicle if locking differentials are used in an incorrect manner?

You think there needs to be software failsafes in place?

 

[REM]

Do you have any idea how rigorous the software development controls are for something like a vehicle? This isn't some fart app in the app store that you can slap together in a few minutes.

 

[Rutrow]

Is it possible to damage a vehicle if locking differentials are used in an incorrect manner?

You think there needs to be software failsafes in place?

Yes, you can do damage to a vehicle when you lock the differentials. If you use them in conditions where the tires need to turn at different speeds (ex. in a turn) but cannot readily slip, the axles, gears, hubs, etc. will be subjected to huge forces (if the wheels CANNOT slip, something WILL break, but usually the tire slip before something breaks)

The only failsafe I'd want, is that only people who know how lockers operate should be allowed to engage them. Beyond that, I con't want a computer trying to help me. Invariably, the computer will try to override my judgement when I REALLY need it not to. This is why you can generally turn off traction control and limited slip settings. They can prevent damage when you're not paying attention, but when you're stuck, they work against your better judgement.

If I'm in a situation when I would lock the diffs, it's because an open differential is going to leave me stranded. The only failsafe I'd want for myself, is a light that comes on to warn me that my differentials are still locked when I'm at higher road speeds (>40 mph?)

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

Is it possible to damage a vehicle if locking differentials are used in an incorrect manner?

You think there needs to be software failsafes in place?

Huh? What if anything that can happen is if the electronic solenoid that moves a synchro to engage in differential fails or a gear, tooth, shaft breaks. That's normally because of worn parts over time. They either are engaged or not. There no incorrect manner except for driver error. I've had lockers in many vehicles and have installed many and many types, mechanical, ratcheting, electronic, air and used in many different environments.

Is it possible to damage a vehicle if locking differentials are used in an incorrect manner?

You think there needs to be software failsafes in place?

There are failsafe codes installed. Such as need to be in Offroad Mode, over 10mph shuts off, etc. Damage is normally because of improper driving and having knowledge of what environment you need to be in while using lockers. Lockers are in many vehicles for many years. I've installed, used and in many environments. They are an asset in off roading, traction control. It's a world of difference than standard open diffs.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

Yes, you can do damage to a vehicle when you lock the differentials. If you use them in conditions where the tires need to turn at different speeds (ex. in a turn) but cannot readily slip, the axles, gears, hubs, etc. will be subjected to huge forces (if the wheels CANNOT slip, something WILL break, but usually the tire slip before something breaks)

The only failsafe I'd want, is that only people who know how lockers operate should be allowed to engage them. Beyond that, I con't want a computer trying to help me. Invariably, the computer will try to override my judgement when I REALLY need it not to. This is why you can generally turn off traction control and limited slip settings. They can prevent damage when you're not paying attention, but when you're stuck, they work against your better judgement.

If I'm in a situation when I would lock the diffs, it's because an open differential is going to leave me stranded. The only failsafe I'd want for myself, is a light that comes on to warn me that my differentials are still locked when I'm at higher road speeds (>40 mph?)

I have locking differentials in 2 of my vehicles and drive over 100mph when safe of course. They are mechanical and ratcheting in turns like all do. Posi is normally in drag racing of which do not unlock and lock. In turns as it's not needed. ARB and DETROIT are known to be the best and most widely used in most manufacturers and after market installations. A light indicator is cool but what comes with Cybertruck is on screen notification and also will not activate unless in Offroad Mode and only work up to 10mph. A guy posted this on Twitter earlier. Can't wait.

 

[cvalue13]

That's because other manufacturers NEVER add any features after a car ships.

other Manu’s OTA

But Tesla didn’t use software to give you heated seats

the hardware was already there, that you’d already paid for, and they finally un-bricked it

 

[Woodrick]

I have locking differentials in 2 of my vehicles and drive over 100mph when safe of course. They are mechanical and ratcheting in turns like all do. Posi is normally in drag racing of which do not unlock and lock. In turns as it's not needed. ARB and DETROIT are known to be the best and most widely used in most manufacturers and after market installations. A light indicator is cool but what comes with Cybertruck is on screen notification and also will not activate unless in Offroad Mode and only work up to 10mph. A guy poste

other Manu’s OTA

But Tesla didn’t use software to give you heated seats

the hardware was already there, that you’d already paid for, and they finally un-bricked it

Which one OTA on their non-EV vehicles?

Which ones add features on a regular basis?

 

[cvalue13]

Which ones add features on a regular basis?

help me out and define “features”

so far you listed not an ‘added’ feature but an un-bricked hardware in place

 

[scottf200]

Which one OTA on their non-EV vehicles?

Which ones add features on a regular basis?

According to the web search results (1,2,3,4), some of the cars that are using OTA updates besides Tesla are:

• Audi: Audi offers OTA updates for its vehicle maps, but not for other features or systems.

• BMW: BMW started using OTA updates in 2018 and has expanded its scope since. BMW offers OTA updates for its infotainment system, navigation, driver assistance, and some vehicle settings.

• Ford: Ford announced that its 2020 models will support OTA updates for various systems and features, including its SYNC 4 infotainment system, powertrain, and driver assistance. Ford claims that its OTA updates will be fast and seamless, with minimal disruption to the vehicle’s operation.

• General Motors (GM): GM also announced that its 2020 models will have OTA capabilities, using its OnStar Verizon 3G data connection. GM plans to offer OTA updates for its infotainment system, engine, transmission, chassis, and body control modules.

• Mercedes-Benz: Mercedes-Benz says that more than 50 electronic components in its new S-Class can be updated over the air, including its infotainment system, navigation, driver assistance, lighting, and suspension. Mercedes-Benz also offers OTA updates for its EQC electric SUV and other models.

• NIO: NIO is a Chinese electric vehicle company that rivals Tesla in its OTA capabilities. NIO offers OTA updates for its battery management system, powertrain, infotainment system, driver assistance, and vehicle settings. NIO also claims that its OTA updates can enhance the vehicle’s performance and range.

These are some of the examples of cars that are using OTA updates besides Tesla, but there may be more. You can learn more about how OTA updates work and how different EV automakers compare by visiting the links below.
Links:
1: Over-the-air updates: How does each EV automaker compare? | Electrek 2: How to Implement Over the Air (OTA) Updates for Connected Cars - Intellias 3: Over-the-air software updates: how do they work? | The Car Expert 4: Automakers Embrace Over-the-Air Updates - Consumer Reports

 

[Woodrick]

help me out and define “features”

so far you listed not an ‘added’ feature but an un-bricked hardware in place

And you call yourself knowledgeable in Teslas?

• A few total UI updates
• Multiple car visualization updates
• AutoPilot
• FSD Beta
• Enhanced battery performance
• Automatic manual brake addition during periods of low-regen
• Additional music sources
• Podcasts
• Karaoke
• Nearly a dozen games
• Multiple video source, YouTube, Netflix, etc
• Updated browser
• Energy Graphs
• Energy Graph details - how has wind impacted your range, temperature, elevation, climate control, many more
• Remote audio control
• Split audio sources for back seats
• Additional autopilot monitoring
• Video guides for vehicle operation
• Online manual
• Apple Podcasts
• Automatic 911 calls
• Speed Cameras
• Traffic lights
• Automatic stopping for stop signs and traffic lights
• Multiple point routing
• Routing on app
• Alternate routes
• Alternate routes will driving
• Live view
• More cameras in live view
• Automatic blind spot camera
• Light show
• Routing Supercharger selection based on station speed and load.
• Route calculation based upon many items, elevation, temperature, wind, etc

Need I go further, most of the ones listed were just this year.

 

[Woodrick]

According to the web search results (1,2,3,4), some of the cars that are using OTA updates besides Tesla are:

• Audi: Audi offers OTA updates for its vehicle maps, but not for other features or systems.
• BMW: BMW started using OTA updates in 2018 and has expanded its scope since. BMW offers OTA updates for its infotainment system, navigation, driver assistance, and some vehicle settings.
• Ford: Ford announced that its 2020 models will support OTA updates for various systems and features, including its SYNC 4 infotainment system, powertrain, and driver assistance. Ford claims that its OTA updates will be fast and seamless, with minimal disruption to the vehicle’s operation.
• General Motors (GM): GM also announced that its 2020 models will have OTA capabilities, using its OnStar Verizon 3G data connection. GM plans to offer OTA updates for its infotainment system, engine, transmission, chassis, and body control modules.
• Mercedes-Benz: Mercedes-Benz says that more than 50 electronic components in its new S-Class can be updated over the air, including its infotainment system, navigation, driver assistance, lighting, and suspension. Mercedes-Benz also offers OTA updates for its EQC electric SUV and other models.
• NIO: NIO is a Chinese electric vehicle company that rivals Tesla in its OTA capabilities. NIO offers OTA updates for its battery management system, powertrain, infotainment system, driver assistance, and vehicle settings. NIO also claims that its OTA updates can enhance the vehicle’s performance and range.

These are some of the examples of cars that are using OTA updates besides Tesla, but there may be more. You can learn more about how OTA updates work and how different EV automakers compare by visiting the links below.
Links:
1: Over-the-air updates: How does each EV automaker compare? | Electrek 2: How to Implement Over the Air (OTA) Updates for Connected Cars - Intellias 3: Over-the-air software updates: how do they work? | The Car Expert 4: Automakers Embrace Over-the-Air Updates - Consumer Reports

Thanks for the list.

Let me summarize as per my question, since you neglected to do so.

How many non-EVs get OTA updates? Just a few.

How many get Feature updates? Seems to be close to 0.

I'll add a question. Been doing so for more than 2 years? 0

And let me add "All because Tesla does it" It's a required feature if you are trying to play in Tesla's EV game.

 

[Woodrick]

Just got reminded of a few more
Sentry Mode
Dog mode
Joe mode

So many of my list of added features don't even exist in other vehicles.
A Tesla is not "just an EV" or a car, it is a platform.

 

[Woodrick]

ROTFLMAO

You must have forgotten that they had to design the car before they updated the software.

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