scottf200
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Here's a couple of photos I took of the prototype CT at The Petersen Musuem. I added straight lines to make it easier to see the subtle curves.Yes exactly. The window has no where it can fit. Without wanting to brag, but all this was self evident when I drew up my own CAD model in 2019, in the week after release. Spending a week recreating the CT details on CAD really gives one a more detailed appreciation for the design and integration of the various components that a casual observers would miss entirely. The same applies to the cabin frunk and bed dimensions, being able to twist and trunk a model in 3D really changes how you see the CT.
Two things I'm still struggling with deciphering is just how much the front windscreen is curved, and from where, and if the CT sidewalls are curved front to rear in a long gradual bow, or if they are in fact completely straight. I believe a curve would be better for aero.
I love how we are all using the term roll-down window to denote a window that lowers into the body of the vehicle. It has been decades since anyone was rolling anything to get the window to open. If anything, it should be a slide down window (that is what the "window" portion, and primary visible part, is doing).roll down window
the tonneau on the other handā¦It has been decades since anyone was rolling anything to get the window to open.
photos are tough because the pens can curve even straight linesI added straight lines to make it easier to see the subtle curves.
Exactly!photos are tough because the pens can curve even straight lines
the reflections of the tube lights on the glass, on the other hand, do indicate convex bend at the center of windshield glass
Thanks for the photos.Here's a couple of photos I took of the prototype CT at The Petersen Musuem. I added straight lines to make it easier to see the subtle curves.
Definitely not enough for anything like that. One thing that was very apparent to me was that this CT is a concept car. The metal skin is very thin, not even close to 3mm and that stainless steel bed is the stuff dreams are made of. There's no way Tesla was going to build something like that and sell it for $39,900.Thanks for the photos.
I really would need one of those panable 3D walkarounds though....In person would be even better!
One day I'll make a 3D scan.
BTW how many photos did you make of the CT at the Petersen? Maybe I can make a orthomosiac from them if there is enough?
So because it says nothing about a midgate it proves the CT doesn't have one? Sweet. Thanks for your contribution (and not reading the OP because it has more than 100 words).The vault patent does not say anything one way or another for a midgate.
It's been said many times before, and doesn't need to be repeated.
-Crissa
On that angle it might be possible, but there really isn't that much room behind the rear backrest, and the assembly would move the seat further forwards. Although I wouldn't mind having an opening to the vault, what would it be good for, being so low you can't get through it? I fear people might use it as a passthru to put longer items into the cab, and those longer items would then be dangling around at head height. Rather have a center armrest passthru, that either terminates behind the center console, or even goes through it Bollinger style. At least it would be more contained.Iām not saying this is likely, but in theory something like the following could possibly make for a window that rolls down - but Iād say it requires the rear window to be at an angle leaning towards the bed
edit to add, the investor prototype window does appear to reflect the bed/tailgate, suggesting that rear glass could in fact be at an angle
for what little itās worth, I do think itās possible the glass is angled just so (based on that reflection photo), and no doubt it would move the back seats that much closer to the front seats. Maybe 1ā? 2ā?On that angle it might be possible, but there really isn't that much room behind the rear backrest, and the assembly would move the seat further forwards.
I'm pretty sure that the vault HVAC will be via an air duct from the cab. There's a bunch of NVH isolation happening in the cab that the bed doesn't have. It's also forced air and can be temperature regulated to really keep the whole bed area heated or cooled. An open window will do little to nothing for climatising the rear bed, without forced air coming from somewhere for air convection. There's also the matter of dust, particles and smell recirculating back into the cab through the window from the bed. All of theses things can be avoided with a simple flapped ventilation slit above the window. It's also more efficient in camp mode, where the bed can be climatised without the cab, which is not possible through a open window. Ideally, the bed, and possibly also the frunk, could be cooled and heated independently. Would make the ideal food delivery van then, cold drinks up front, pizzas in back, and all running off the same heat pump.for what little itās worth, I do think itās possible the glass is angled just so (based on that reflection photo), and no doubt it would move the back seats that much closer to the front seats. Maybe 1ā? 2ā?
as for the utility of the back glass going down, I personally would enjoy it for airflow with all the windows down and the tonneau open. I probably wouldnāt trade that for 1-2ā of back seat room, though.
Others appear intent on sleeping in the vault with heat/aircon. Vault seems right to me, but Iām a bit large and non-clinically claustrophobic.
More than that, given the CTās materials, I just imagine that vault getting so hot/cold, even if insulated, that a mere rear window to cab doesnāt circulate air well enough to have the desired effect. Perhaps if just above and inside the rear window there is a vault-facing air duct?
In any event, the rear window being mobile seems a challenge given the bulkhead shape/tonneau function - but not insurmountable. Real question is if the cost (money or function) of it is worth the benefits.
Actually, the window is angled, and the front end of the bed has changed significantly from the reveal proto, and patent diagram. If you look at the original it is angled back toward the rear at the bottom, then bends straight up to the the top of the rear of the cabin. There is around a foot of 90 degree steal, then window. The cover track follows this path.for what little itās worth, I do think itās possible the glass is angled just so (based on that reflection photo), and no doubt it would move the back seats that much closer to the front seats. Maybe 1ā? 2ā?
as for the utility of the back glass going down, I personally would enjoy it for airflow with all the windows down and the tonneau open. I probably wouldnāt trade that for 1-2ā of back seat room, though.
Others appear intent on sleeping in the vault with heat/aircon. Vault seems right to me, but Iām a bit large and non-clinically claustrophobic.
More than that, given the CTās materials, I just imagine that vault getting so hot/cold, even if insulated, that a mere rear window to cab doesnāt circulate air well enough to have the desired effect. Perhaps if just above and inside the rear window there is a vault-facing air duct?
In any event, the rear window being mobile seems a challenge given the bulkhead shape/tonneau function - but not insurmountable. Real question is if the cost (money or function) of it is worth the benefits.