The Exoskeleton

[tidmutt]

The driver monitoring is supposed to be optional.

Also we have a difference of opinion on what's considered safe. I've seen countless courtroom videos and responses from people who have crashed their car to have a little "fun" and there is always some variable that someone didn't account for.

I have my fun at a track, the track even requires I wear a helmet when i'm there. As long as the app can determine when i'm at a Track to not judge my driving while i'm there, i'm more than happy for my driving data to determine how much i pay.

I figured I'd get a lecture. LOL

Okay, I'm the irresponsible bastard. I get it.

I was in a few accidents when I was a young driver, one particularly bad one that nearly decapitated me. I learned to be cautious. My definition of fun is a spirited launch from traffic lights, a slightly aggressive corner at low speed. Compared to the drivers around me, I drive like a granny. If you look at my zip code you might see why I say that.

I am also happy to pay more, if it's as simple as the rate increasing automatically or decreasing automatically. What I don't want is a society where we are so monitored we all have to drive like mindless autonomations. Although the data in aggregate can indicate safer driving that doesn't necessary apply all the time to every individual situation. So sure, increase my rate if I hit it a bit hard from the lights a few times, that's fine. I just don't want to be forced to never use all that power Tesla provides, if you make me do that, I'll go buy an electric scooter and never drive again if possible.

I suspect we have to agree to disagree on this one.

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[CyberMoose]

I figured I'd get a lecture. LOL

Okay, I'm the irresponsible bastard. I get it.

I was in a few accidents when I was a young driver, one particularly bad one that nearly decapitated me. I learned to be cautious. My definition of fun is a spirited launch from traffic lights, a slightly aggressive corner at low speed. Compared to the drivers around me, I drive like a granny. If you look at my zip code you might see why I say that.

I am also happy to pay more, if it's as simple as the rate increasing automatically or decreasing automatically. What I don't want is a society where we are so monitored we all have to drive like mindless autonomations. Although the data in aggregate can indicate safer driving that doesn't necessary apply all the time to every individual situation. So sure, increase my rate if I hit it a bit hard from the lights a few times, that's fine. I just don't want to be forced to never use all that power Tesla provides, if you make me do that, I'll go buy an electric scooter and never drive again if possible.

I suspect we have to agree to disagree on this one.

I'm just pointing out that there are numerous times where someone has caused an accident or even killed someone while they were 'being careful'. Almost dying in a car accident doesn't mean that you now have the ability to never make a mistake. The power of a Tesla can make even going off a red light more dangerous because maybe someone in a blind spot that's speeding to make that yellow misses it by a second. While most cars can't accelerate out into the middle of an intersection immediately when a light turns green, a Tesla can do that.

Also i'm not trying to say what I think you can and can't do. Some people look at me as driving too safe, i'm completely find to be seen as that. I don't accelerate hard unless i'm going onto a highway and I enjoy just casual drives with the windows down. I don't go fast, I even take the long way home for some nice fresh air in the country side.

At the same time, I love to drive fast. I am at the track that's on my way to the city at least once a month, usually twice a month. I've even blown out a couple tires in the past 5 years and damaged my car, but the only person at risk when I do that is myself.

I've been in a few car accidents in my life, one of them the police wouldn't even believe I was actually the passenger since I was unharmed and the passenger side of my gf's tiny honda was completely destroyed and punched in by a truck. But one thing I knew about the accidents I was in was that whether the driver was me or someone else, we weren't at fault and we couldn't have avoided it. But I wouldn't want to get hit like that while going really fast.

 

[tidmutt]

I'm just pointing out that there are numerous times where someone has caused an accident or even killed someone while they were 'being careful'. Almost dying in a car accident doesn't mean that you now have the ability to never make a mistake. The power of a Tesla can make even going off a red light more dangerous because maybe someone in a blind spot that's speeding to make that yellow misses it by a second. While most cars can't accelerate out into the middle of an intersection immediately when a light turns green, a Tesla can do that.

Also i'm not trying to say what I think you can and can't do. Some people look at me as driving too safe, i'm completely find to be seen as that. I don't accelerate hard unless i'm going onto a highway and I enjoy just casual drives with the windows down. I don't go fast, I even take the long way home for some nice fresh air in the country side.

At the same time, I love to drive fast. I am at the track that's on my way to the city at least once a month, usually twice a month. I've even blown out a couple tires in the past 5 years and damaged my car, but the only person at risk when I do that is myself.

I've been in a few car accidents in my life, one of them the police wouldn't even believe I was actually the passenger since I was unharmed and the passenger side of my gf's tiny honda was completely destroyed and punched in by a truck. But one thing I knew about the accidents I was in was that whether the driver was me or someone else, we weren't at fault and we couldn't have avoided it. But I wouldn't want to get hit like that while going really fast.

I don't think I am capable of never making a mistake, what made you think that? I mentioned the accident to show that I'm aware of the consequences, although I wasn't doing anything when I had that accident. I also lost people close to me in car accidents.

I get it, you're cautious, I am cautious to, just slightly less so. Lets leave it there.

 

[Mini2nut]

Tesla obviously did computer crash simulations with the concept monocoque design as Elon Tweeted this about the production version; “Cybertruck will be almost exactly what was shown.”

 

[CyberMoose]

I don't think I am capable of never making a mistake, what made you think that? I mentioned the accident to show that I'm aware of the consequences, although I wasn't doing anything when I had that accident. I also lost people close to me in car accidents.

I get it, you're cautious, I am cautious to, just slightly less so. Lets leave it there.

I never implied that you are incapable of making a mistake, I was trying to express my belief that anyone can make a mistake.

I'm fine to leave it there. what I said when you considered it getting a lecture, was that we had a different opinion of what's considered safe. It's not like i'm on the road judging everyone around me that isn't driving to fit my definition of safe. I just personally don't do that becuase if I ended up killing someone due to my own mistake or someone else's mistake while I was having fun, I'd never forgive myself.

 

[Crissa]

It's not like i'm on the road judging everyone around me that isn't driving to fit my definition of safe.

To be unfair, you kinda are.

Everyone who's a good driver is, looking at the other vehicles and their driving patterns and marking them to be concerned or not, whether they are in the way, or not.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

Insurance rates are the definition of unfair. You pay more if you're single, less if married. Two drivers under 25 pay the same rates, even if one is cautious and the other a daredevil. It's all based on demographics and frankly it's pointless to "drive safely" as far as impacting your estimated risk level and insurance rates.

If all drivers are monitored, then it could be algorithmically determined which driving patterns lead to accidents, and which do not.

 

[CyberMoose]

To be unfair, you kinda are.

Everyone who's a good driver is, looking at the other vehicles and their driving patterns and marking them to be concerned or not, whether they are in the way, or not.

-Crissa

I don't care if someone accelerates fast or takes a turn fast. The only time i'm judging someones driving is when someone it's noticable that someone isn't keeping good control of their car. If I think someone legitimately does not know how to properly drive, most likely because they might be intoxicated, I will just keep my distance and call the police to alert them of a possible drunk driver. Which i've only done once in my life.

Insurance rates are the definition of unfair. You pay more if you're single, less if married. Two drivers under 25 pay the same rates, even if one is cautious and the other a daredevil. It's all based on demographics and frankly it's pointless to "drive safely" as far as impacting your estimated risk level and insurance rates.

If all drivers are monitored, then it could be algorithmically determined which driving patterns lead to accidents, and which do not.

This is my thoughts exactly. My insurance when I first moved to Toronto was $525 a month and I had to have a car for my job. I think everyone can understand that it's insane what some young drivers are being charged. Also that was just for liability insurance with a clean driving record, if I did get into an at fault accident, my own car wouldn't be covered.

With Tesla's plan for insurance, I could have saved about $3000 from my insurance payments that year since I'm a safe driver. Driving habits are a much more fair way to determine insurance rates.

There are some people out there, my sister is one of them, who doesn't care about damage to their vehicles. While it's fine if you hit your rim on a curb or something that doesn't affect others, but there are lots of times when someone damages your car in a parking lot, or gets into a small fender bender and just speeds away. If we can raise the insurance of those people...or use this monitoring system to get them off the road for good, that would be great.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

I think the megacastings will be as light as possible and leverage the exoskeleton for strength, so neither doubles up on the other. Same withe the structural battery pack. This is how the CT will reduce weight to a minimum by optimising everything.

It also can't loose its "bulletproof" rating in the process so needs to keep some metal outside, which in turn makes the space frame stiffer and stronger. Lots of optimisation of everything.

Totally agree…..but the whole mono body structural concept has changed with the evolution of the castings and new structural batteries. Blending the two concepts should produced greatly improved rigidity and strength in the CT.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

I don't care if someone accelerates fast or takes a turn fast. The only time i'm judging someones driving is when someone it's noticable that someone isn't keeping good control of their car. If I think someone legitimately does not know how to properly drive, most likely because they might be intoxicated, I will just keep my distance and call the police to alert them of a possible drunk driver. Which i've only done once in my life.



This is my thoughts exactly. My insurance when I first moved to Toronto was $525 a month and I had to have a car for my job. I think everyone can understand that it's insane what some young drivers are being charged. Also that was just for liability insurance with a clean driving record, if I did get into an at fault accident, my own car wouldn't be covered.

With Tesla's plan for insurance, I could have saved about $3000 from my insurance payments that year since I'm a safe driver. Driving habits are a much more fair way to determine insurance rates.

There are some people out there, my sister is one of them, who doesn't care about damage to their vehicles. While it's fine if you hit your rim on a curb or something that doesn't affect others, but there are lots of times when someone damages your car in a parking lot, or gets into a small fender bender and just speeds away. If we can raise the insurance of those people...or use this monitoring system to get them off the road for good, that would be great.

Just hope the insurance company doesn’t see your avatar when figuring your safe driver rates…?

 

[CyberMoose]

Just hope the insurance company doesn’t see your avatar when figuring your safe driver rates…?

Because I drive offroad? I don't make insurance claims if my vehicle is damaged offroad. My jeep has never been apart of an issurance claim after being damaged offroad.

 

[John K]

Because I drive offroad? I don't make insurance claims if my vehicle is damaged offroad. My jeep has never been apart of an issurance claim after being damaged offroad.

I wonder if Tesla vehicle insurance monitors pitch and yaw?

 

[CyberMoose]

I wonder if Tesla vehicle insurance monitors pitch and yaw?

The cybertruck patent photos showed that it can monitor those, so the insurance can too. But like i've said in the past about tracks, i'm hoping Tesla insurance monitoring can understand when you are actually on a public road or not. Track driving and offroading shouldn't be included unless you have insurance for those activities.

 

[John K]

The cybertruck patent photos showed that it can monitor those, so the insurance can too. But like i've said in the past about tracks, i'm hoping Tesla insurance monitoring can understand when you are actually on a public road or not. Track driving and offroading shouldn't be included unless you have insurance for those activities.

Tesla Insurance: Report shows your truck did a somersault and then a back flip on Memorial Day weekend?!

CyberMoose: was there an insurance claim?

Tesla Insurance: (blinks)

CM: (smiles)

TI: thinks out loud, “this is not covered in the manual”

 

[FullyGrounded]

I notice you list your occupation as an investor. As you must know, investors must be able to discern fact from fiction in order to be successful. I'm wondering if you decided to invest in TSLA and, if so, when you pulled the trigger and what was the catalyst?

I do very well, thank you. peace

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