Cybertruck VIN decoder! -- GVWR Vehicle Weight Revealed + **only** Dual and Tri Motor for 2024

[TheLastStarfighter]

Citing sources would directly harm the sources

Man, the mafia has changed from when I was a kid.

You’ve also talked to this “source”?

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[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

I was hoping for this too. In the army, some of the track vehicles you could make the tracks go in opposite directions( I forget the name of this mode) to do a 360. I was thinking that would be an awesome trick for the cybertruck.

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[HaulingAss]

@HaulingAss

Your comments around larger vs smaller batteries regarding longevity ignore the fact the lower DoD cycles significantly prolong battery life, in some cases 2-3x as many cycles are possible over the life of a battery.

To do the same with a smaller battery means you will have to charge even more often, resulting in even less useful non-degradong range per charge in comparison.

I don't want to get into a lengthy back and forth on this due to your previous tendency to not listen or try to understand new information.

I will add this if it will help others. Battery longevity testing does show less degradation when not using the top and bottom of the SoC. But the effect diminishes rapidly as the SoC is maintained between 20%-80%. And battery life-cycle testing is generally accelerated and generally done at a steady-state temperature, so it doesn't take into account the natural aging of the battery or the effect of charging/discharging a very hot or very cold battery.

Also the extra thermal mass has a fairly trivial impact on longevity, given that it also helps just as much to keep the battery at the right temperature as well. Besides, the HVAC will only take a few minutes more than on a smaller pack to heat/cool it (no more than when you accelerate hard a few times in succession) and if overnight charging, will use plug power to do so, which will in turn lower your charge rate, but not impact battery life from temperature swings.

The fallacy here is that the extra mass of a larger battery (assuming it's a single layer battery) also has a larger surface area to radiate or absorb heat. On the other hand, the battery's thermal management system only has so much heating/cooling capacity.

Your claim that it only takes a few minutes more to heat/cool a pack that might be 50% larger is false, and that becomes apparent when looking at how long it takes to pre-condition the battery when navigating to a Supercharger. A battery with 3/4 tons of thermal mass is alway going to take considerably longer than one with only 1/2 ton of thermal mass. Driving off in a car that has sat overnight at 0 degrees means both the large and small battery will be at ambient temperature of 0 degrees (because they have had al night to equalize). It will take much longer to warm up the 3/4 ton pack using nothing more than waste heat.

I could provide considerably more detail and specific examples, but I'm afraid it would largely go to waste.

 

[Throwcomputer]

I’m just gonna say I took it from here to move along and not go deep here. I do track a lot of things. Sorry @Throwcomputer - how would you like me to make it right for you?

I'm good. Don't need anything. I'm not in that rat race of chasing breaking leads. The vin info was the only thing I was actively seeking regularly. Never had twitter, never will have X. Not my cup of tea. Especially now with the schmuck in chief. We've all got more important things in life to worry about!

 

[JBee]

Man, the mafia has changed from when I was a kid.

You’ve also talked to this “source”?

I'm not sure what the issue is here.

Do you want information or not?

You don't have to agree with it, but in the end even if a source was declared would you even except that as fact? There's no difference, you're just escalating the question to a higher level, to what end?

There are plenty of factors of why a 500mile pack is unlikely at this stage.

Feel free to read my posts further up as to why.

That together with any other info should make it clear that your claims are unfounded and criticisms not justified regardless of if they are "verified" by authority or not.

Feel free to counter the technicalities, and not just the person supplying those comments.

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

So after comparing the VIN photo with the VIN Digit decoder I get:

Dual motor is the heavier H class, which means the extra weight class is not for the TM, and the pack with the DM and the TM can't be too different at all without negatively affecting payload. Remember TM had the highest tow rating as well.

Also the 5th digit says LHD for left hand drive. That would mean a RHD is coming for us here right? Am I right mate? Yeana?

Seeing it passed the bulletproof test, I'm calling shots on the name Cyber Kelly for my plates!

CYBRKLLY

 

[KScheidt]

Don't be distracted by some pundits that use your good will for political gain.

For what it's worth, to the best of my knowledge the 350mile CT range is where things will start and longer range will be subject to cell supply AND cell capacity constraints.

Physically there should be enough room for a pack around 140kWh in a single layer, meaning somewhere around 400-420miles for a single cell high pack. 500mile would be a 2 high stack, and I'm not sure this will ever be a thing given the nature of the pack to be structural, which is much harder to do with a double stack, and heavier, let alone reduces inside rear headroom which is already limited. If anything I expect a single row pack to stay, and extra range to stem from cell capacity improvements, but not more cells double stacked.

Overall this range in the CT is achieved by some impressive efficiency, which is in turn by way of their seemingly crazy low empty mass that reduces rolling resistance, and good aerodynamics, along with some special source in the drivetrain department. So even incremental cell capacity improvements can result in meaningful range improvements.

The only disadvantage here is that this efficiency also makes the range more sensitive to towing, or having things sticking out of the bed, or roof racks, that disrupt airflow. This is because it won't have the same battery capacity reserves other trucks use to get range.

Hope this helps with those anxieties...

500 was the dream that I’ve held on to since I made my reservation on launch night but in all honesty I can make 350-400 work so as long as we’re in that ballpark I’m still a buyer. Any lower than that and I have to seriously start considering an R1T with a Max Pack (410) or sticking with ICE for the next go around.

I know every use case is different but I, along with many others in the Front Range of CO, need around 300 real-world, winter miles in the mountains for our recurrent weekend warrior pursuits.

 

[cvalue13]

Man, the mafia has changed from when I was a kid.

You’ve also talked to this “source”?

it’s just common sense

and attention to detail

both of which you’re currently lacking

 

[cvalue13]

500 was the dream that I’ve held on to since I made my reservation on launch night but in all honesty I can make 350-400 work so as long as we’re in that ballpark I’m still a buyer. Any lower than that and I have to seriously start considering an R1T with a Max Pack (410) or sticking with ICE for the next go around.

I know every use case is different but I, along with many others in the Front Range of CO, need around 300 real-world, winter miles in the mountains for our recurrent weekend warrior pursuits.

If your requirements aren’t met on initial release, maybe they will be down the road

thanks otherwise for being level-headed ‘round here

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

I'm not sure what the issue is here.

Do you want information or not?

You don't have to agree with it, but in the end even if a source was declared would you even except that as fact? There's no difference, you're just escalating the question to a higher level, to what end?

There are plenty of factors of why a 500mile pack is unlikely at this stage.

Feel free to read my posts further up as to why.

That together with any other info should make it clear that your claims are unfounded and criticisms not justified regardless of if they are "verified" by authority or not.

Feel free to counter the technicalities, and not just the person supplying those comments.

There are reasons why and why not for there to be a 500 mile version. We discuss our opinions and that’s why we have a forum.

CVal has repeatedly stated there isn’t a 500 mile version. Not his opinion and justification, he simply states it as fact. Asking for his reason is logical. He never gives it. Did he see the battery? Talk to Frank or a janitor? No answer. Just rude responses like the one I responded to where he says There. Is . No. 500. Mile. If you’re making that statement, back it up. He doesn’t, and that’s trash posting. If someone posted a thread saying “Cybertruck starting at $110k” with no source, the thread would be mocked and locked.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

it’s just common sense

and attention to detail

both of which you’re currently lacking

So there is no source, just your conjecture and insults.

 

[Gurule92]

500 was the dream that I’ve held on to since I made my reservation on launch night but in all honesty I can make 350-400 work so as long as we’re in that ballpark I’m still a buyer. Any lower than that and I have to seriously start considering an R1T with a Max Pack (410) or sticking with ICE for the next go around.

I know every use case is different but I, along with many others in the Front Range of CO, need around 300 real-world, winter miles in the mountains for our recurrent weekend warrior pursuits.

As a longish term CO owner of EVs I can say my 305ish mile MYP hasnt left me stranded yet!

Granted, it's not towing or hauling anything but I'd say 400 is my truck goal. But I'll accept 300 and jump for joy at 500

 

[cvalue13]

So there is no source, just your conjecture and insults.

You think *I’m* insulting *you* here?

Not his opinion and justification, he simply states it as fact. Asking for his reason is logical.

Ive several times, for a couple of months now, stated my conjecture regarding Tesla’s *reasons* for this outcome.

on this, and many other levels, you’ve just not been paying attention

 

[cvalue13]

So there is no source, just your conjecture and insults.

What’s your source?

 

[KScheidt]

As a longish term CO owner of EVs I can say my 305ish mile MYP hasnt left me stranded yet!

Granted, it's not towing or hauling anything but I'd say 400 is my truck goal. But I'll accept 300 and jump for joy at 500

Whereabouts are you based? I’m coming out of COS rather than the Denver area so it usually tacks on an extra 50+- miles each way. My house to Loveland Ski Area (closest) is about 120Mi (one-way) and Monarch is 160Mi (one-way). Taos and Wolf Creek are the upper limits on my day trip distances and they stand about 250Mi (one-way). A lot of ski areas are adding EV chargers but they are almost always occupied or out of commission based on my observations.

I won’t be towing or adding any rack equipment so I won’t have to worry about that kind of extraneous range loss either.

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