CyberTruck competitor Chevy Silverado EV looks pretty good

[Crissa]

Remember, Elon said that Tesla did better than that estimate, Ogre.

-Crissa

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[Ogre]

Remember, Elon said that Tesla did better than that estimate, Ogre.

-Crissa

Wait? When was this? I must have missed that. On price or range?

 

[Deleted member 12457]

Does anyone actually think the Chevy truck will be built in the USA? Not me, I see it being built in China under their partnership with SAIC. No UAW workers. I don't see GM-America actually surviving. They aren't going to be able to pay for the retooling of factories in the US, they're better off closing them (again) and building brand new ones but that takes money they don't have. I don't see a GM/Chevy truck being made in high numbers in the USA, it will simply be another made in China EV, just like European manufacturers are doing.

As for it's size, why do so many people want monster trucks? The truck size many of you are talking about won't ever fit on roads outside the US and most times won't fit in the majority of parking lots. They're too big, take up too much room, and too heavy, which leads to problems with roads and highways.

How often do most of you have a fully loaded truck? 70%, 5%? How much off-roading? I'm getting tired of all the new trucks and their huge front ends and beds that require a ladder to get into as well as to reach over the sides. I shouldn't have to be 6'6" to properly use a truck. Give me something that has the capabilities of a truck in a reasonably-sized vehicle.

 

[Ogre]

Does anyone actually think the Chevy truck will be built in the USA? Not me, I see it being built in China under their partnership with SAIC.

It would have to be in Mexico. There is a large tariff on importing light trucks into the US. It is about 15% so pretty significant and likely a big enough blocker by itself. (It’s called the Chicken Tax)

Chevy and Ford both make a big chunk of their cars in Mexico already.

As for it's size, why do so many people want monster trucks? The truck size many of you are talking about won't ever fit on roads outside the US and most times won't fit in the majority of parking lots. They're too big, take up too much room, and too heavy, which leads to problems with roads and highways.

How often do most of you have a fully loaded truck? 70%, 5%? How much off-roading? I'm getting tired of all the new trucks and their huge front ends and beds that require a ladder to get into as well as to reach over the sides. I shouldn't have to be 6'6" to properly use a truck. Give me something that has the capabilities of a truck in a reasonably-sized vehicle.

I tend to agree about size. I would be fully on board with a 5’5” bed and the truck being a foot shorter. Width is a bit trickier because I do haul plywood often enough where it would be frustrating if I couldn’t.

The Chevy is tall because they have a monster battery pack. Cybertruck will not be so crazy tall and will be able to squat down. Cybertruck is short people friendly.

 

[firsttruck]

Does anyone actually think the Chevy truck will be built in the USA? Not me, I see it being built in China under their partnership with SAIC. No UAW workers. I don't see GM-America actually surviving. They aren't going to be able to pay for the retooling of factories in the US, they're better off closing them (again) and building brand new ones but that takes money they don't have. I don't see a GM/Chevy truck being made in high numbers in the USA, it will simply be another made in China EV, just like European manufacturers are doing.
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GM/Buick is already selling Chinese made cars in U.S.

GM/Buick U.S. 2021/2022 Buick Envision
https://www.buick.com/suvs/envision

Buick Envision is a compact crossover SUV manufactured by General Motors. It is exclusively manufactured in China by the SAIC-GM joint venture, supplying the domestic market (China) and the North American market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Envision

GM/Chevy will probably not sell Chinese made trucks in U.S. because of the "chicken tax" import tariff on trucks (but not cars). This is why most Toyota or Nissan trucks sold in U.S. are made in U.S. or Mexican factories.

GM/Chevy truck EV has a high probability of being made in Mexico as are some GM/Chevy ICE trucks.

Even Ford's EV SUV, Mustang Mach-e EV, that is not a truck but all U.S. sold versions are made in Mexico.

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Game of chicken: GM bets on Mexican-made pickup trucks SILAO, Mexico/DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Co's GM.N assembly plant in Silao, a city in Mexico's automotive heartland, cranked out more than 400,000 highly profitable, large pickup trucks last year (2017), and is critical to the launch of a new generation of Chevrolet Silverado trucks later this year (2018).
By Anthony Esposito, Joseph White
January 15, 2018 ( 4 years ago )
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta-autos-idUSKBN1F42G7

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1 Full-Size ‘American’ Pickup Truck Is Actually Made in Mexico Nothing is more American than a pickup truck, right? In truth, most ‘American’ pickup trucks are assembled in the U.S.A. out of both foreign and domestic parts. And many Chevrolet Silverados and GMC Sierras are actually assembled in Mexico. Even General Motors trucks assembled in the U.S. are made of mostly foreign parts.
by Henry Cesari
Published on February 27, 2022
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/1-full-size-american-pickup-truck-is-actually-made-in-mexico/

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[Ogre]

GM/Chevy truck EV has a high probability of being made in Mexico as are some GM/Chevy ICE trucks.

Even Ford's EV SUV, Mustang Mach-e EV, that is not a truck but all U.S. sold versions are made in Mexico.

They are trolling hard for government handouts and bailouts so they will probably make them in the US.

Ford and Chevy have already committed to facilities to build their batteries here in the US, and they both have some existing US truck manufacturing capability.

Though thinking on it, initial production might be in Mexico because they don’t have their battery production established here yet.

 

[Zabhawkin]

How often do most of you have a fully loaded truck? 70%, 5%? How much off-roading? I'm getting tired of all the new trucks and their huge front ends and beds that require a ladder to get into as well as to reach over the sides. I shouldn't have to be 6'6" to properly use a truck. Give me something that has the capabilities of a truck in a reasonably-sized vehicle.

Depends on which of our trucks our talking about.

F-150
Fully loaded 5%
Partly loaded but too big for car 10%
Wet muddy dogs 10%
Off-Road 10%

Frontier (small truck easy to maneuver)
Fully loaded 20%
Partly loaded 20%
Wet muddy dogs 5%
Off-road 20% (dump runs)

Jeep
Fully loaded 80%
Wet muddy dogs 20%
Off-Road 80%

If the Frontier could deliver more torque to the ground and had more power it would be much better, it still gets used quite a bit due to its small size, just pushed to it limits on a regular basis. Though I would give up a full 4 door for a slightly extended cab for a longer than 6' bed.

 

[Crissa]

Wait? When was this? I must have missed that. On price or range?

Price per kilowatt.

But he wouldn't say what the number was.

-Crissa

...And no one is seriously going to ship trucks from China. Not only are there pretty hefty tariffs both countries agree upon, they're big, heavy objects and shipping is already constrained.

 

[gillfoto]

Free market competition is an amazing thing. EVs are a designer's dream, a creative playground, freed from the constraints of ICE technology. I personally can't wait for a snub-nosed platform that maximizes cabin and truck bed space - pickup and van variant. It will be like a CT only with the cab more aggressively forward. The practical among us will flock to it, and before long it will be the new standard, and we'll look at today's pickup appearance ideal as an anachronism - maybe not all of us, but definitely our kids. Horseless carriages looked like carriages until they figured out they could make something better. First Teslas had fake grills. The design evolution will be quicker this time.

Like this? https://www.canoo.com/

 

[Deleted member 12457]

Depends on which of our trucks our talking about.

F-150
Fully loaded 5%
Partly loaded but too big for car 10%
Wet muddy dogs 10%
Off-Road 10%

Frontier (small truck easy to maneuver)
Fully loaded 20%
Partly loaded 20%
Wet muddy dogs 5%
Off-road 20% (dump runs)

Jeep
Fully loaded 80%
Wet muddy dogs 20%
Off-Road 80%

If the Frontier could deliver more torque to the ground and had more power it would be much better, it still gets used quite a bit due to its small size, just pushed to it limits on a regular basis. Though I would give up a full 4 door for a slightly extended cab for a longer than 6' bed.

Thanks for the reply.

My 2103 Tacoma was built in Texas so hopefully my next vehicle is also built in Texas. My truck is my only vehicle so it does everything. Luckily, I moved to a spot downtown so I can walk to most things.

Fully loaded 5% (normal stuff, landscaping stuff, full back seat)
Partly loaded but too big for car 10% (carry lumber on roof rack at least a few times every month, also put other things up there)
Pulling a trailer--down to less than 5% but it depends on which family member, including myself I help move. I have a 5x10 cargo trailer.
Camping 2% (have a rooftop tent I want to camp with but weather and park closures have messed things up)
Off-Road --depends on what you really mean by off-road. Some camping and normal driving is on dirt roads, otherwise I don't go rock climbing or through water--ever!

Should I change to an SUV? I used to have a 4Runner with a toy engine. I've carried enough things in the bed of my truck that wouldn't fit in an SUV. I also have carried many things on my Diamondback HD tonneau cover, short and long distances. I can easily remove half my roof rack and the tonneau cover in about 10 minutes so my vehicle can be transformed to meet my needs. I don't see an SUV being able to do all these things, especially carry rock, bark, ground cover, etc.

 

[Ogre]

Should I change to an SUV? I used to have a 4Runner with a toy engine. I've carried enough things in the bed of my truck that wouldn't fit in an SUV.

Right now there is a serious lack of options to change to. Closest SUV would be Model X or Rivian R1S and both are more expensive than the Cybertruck.

The real alternative is basically waiting 5 years. Maybe at that time I can get something smaller.

 

[Zabhawkin]

Off-road is fairly loose, and depends on who and what their experience is. For me if it would be generally a bad idea to take a typical sedan down it, it counts as off-road.

Funny story
When my wife and I got married we took a cruise for our honeymoon. One of the stops had the option for a Jeep tour. At one point I asked the guide when we would be engaging 4wheel drive. His comment was "ahh tough guy eh". I replied "no I have lived on worse roads" he mumbled "this is as rough as it gets"

 

[Crissa]

My 2103 Tacoma was built in Texas...

Really slumming after the time-jump, huh? Is the climate that bad in the twenty-second century? Was Buck Rodgers right?

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

Uhh... NiCd? Nickel-Cadmium batteries had been out of style for about thirty years. My Gameboy from the 80s had a Lithium battery pack! Tesla has used various Lithium-polymer batteries: Li-poly, NMC, NCA, etc. Current 2170s are some sort of NCA, as probably are the Panasonic 18650s now.

LFP batteries are well-tested but only saw much use in China and bicycles because patents kept them unaffordable outside China - the patent agreement let them experiment in China without paying extra. They're bulkier and slightly heavier than the nickel-based batteries that everyone else uses... but they don't have the same charge capacity fade issue over time, Earlier ones were more susceptible to cold, but that just means they have to consume more energy for active temperature management. All Lithium batteries regain their capacity (and charge) when they warm back up anyhow.

-Crissa

Gameboy came out in 1989 and used AAA alkaline batteries. Cartridges had non rechargeable lithium memory backup batteries.

From memory lithium only started commercial development by Sony in 1991 and then were used in their Walkman series of products.

 

[Deleted member 12457]

Really slumming after the time-jump, huh? Is the climate that bad in the twenty-second century? Was Buck Rodgers right?

-Crissa

What?????

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