My real motivation in owning a CyberTruck

[cvalue13]

What are you talking about? Oklahoma's primary source of electrical generation is renewables and they use very little coal. That's why they have some of the cheapest electricity in the nation.

Coal is one of the most expensive ways to generate electricity which is why electrical utilities are shuttering coal plants all over the country. Wind and solar are amongst the cheapest.

Only in the last few years they’ve reduced from what used to be >60% coal to now ~15% coal, ~41% natural gas, and ~41% wind, and 45% total “reviewabl

how that makes renewables “primary” I’m not sure, but it’s definitely not primarily coal anymore

https://www.epa.gov/energy/about-us-electricity-system-and-its-impact-environment

6+ years later and it’s a little better, but still roughly true, but trending in the right directions (nat gas and renewables)

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[jerhenderson]

Man, you have cheap gas down there in Alerbama! All the signs I see here for regular unleaded are over $4/gallon.

But I don't know what's with the $24 to fill a Model 3? Even if it were completely empty, 0 miles of range left, and you were going to fill it to 100%, and you owned a Long-Range version that is not even in production right now, you could only squeeze about 75 kWh hours in, which would cost me about $7.50. The national average price of electricity when we bought our 2018 RWD Model 3 was only $0.13 per kWh. So the national average price to fill a Long-Range Model 3 from 0-100% was under $10 in 2018. Something tells me that when gas and oil interests identified the threat of EV's, they infiltrated electric utilities regulatory commissions and gave the utilities the green light to spend and waste money!

However, no one charges from 0-100%. Typical daily charge for someone driving the national average of 12K per year is 33 miles per day or about 8-9 kWh. I've been paying about 10 cents per kWh for many years so that's less than a buck a day. In Alerbama, you guys have to pay for nuclear boondogles. You are getting ripped off by crony capitalism and incompetence. Going full solar has never looked better than right now!

$4 a gallon? up here in Canada ?? I'm paying 1.70 per liter..... X4 for a gallon.... and my gas is average in Canada.... it's higher further south.

 

[CyberGus]

Even if electricity was 100% coal, EV's would still have an edge due to their efficiency. Plus, grid-scale environmental remediation can far exceed what's accomplished with a catalytic converter and EGR valve.

 

[cvalue13]

Even if electricity was 100% coal, EV's would still have an edge due to their efficiency. Plus, grid-scale environmental remediation can far exceed what's accomplished with a catalytic converter and EGR valve.

grid?

21 Kw of solar on my roof goes brrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[HaulingAss]

$4 a gallon? up here in Canada ?? I'm paying 1.70 per liter..... X4 for a gallon.... and my gas is average in Canada.... it's higher further south.

We prolly don't have to wait long for a European to tell us how cheap that Canadian gas is!

 

[HaulingAss]

I want a truck that's not ICE - that's my reason.

If that's all I wanted, I would have bought an F-150 Lightning. But I already have a truck that's "Ford tough" and I'm not too impressed (and my F-150 is steel, before they switched to aluminum bed and body).

There has been a real lack of innovation in the truck space for too long and I'm super stoked that is finally changing.

 

[jerhenderson]

We prolly don't have to wait long for a European to tell us how cheap that Canadian gas is!

that's true....

 

[jerhenderson]

If that's all I wanted, I would have bought an F-150 Lightning. But I already have a truck that's "Ford tough" and I'm not too impressed (and my F-150 is steel, before they switched to aluminum bed and body).

There has been a real lack of innovation in the truck space for too long and I'm super stoked that is finally changing.

yeah but I wouldn't get a lightning because Ford did nothing until Tesla forced them to, so I'll support the company that made them.

 

[Allan York]

I had 3 reasons for placing an order.
1. 0-60 in 2.9 seconds.
2. Still believe it will be self driving.
3. And the reason for HAD.... Bench front seat. What can I say, I am a snuggler. Bummed that this appears to be no longer the plan.

 

[NJturtlePower]

I dont care about the CT being 'green'., save the planet, polar bears, baby harp seals and all that. Neven been in the forefront of my mind.

I want it because of this :
I just filled up my wife's Dodge Laramie Longhorn.

30 gallons @ 2.96 a gallon.
Big sucker gets a BEST of 17.8 or so to a gallon, averages about 15-16.

Thats 6 miles per dollar for the fuel ALONE. Oil changes cost about 100.00 for the good stuff.
A Tesla M3 LR gets about 360 miles a charge. A charge is about 24.00
Thats about 15miles per dollar!

Agreed, I got my first Model 3 LR RWD mid-2018 because I wanted a fun sporty sedan I could drive hard daily and not worry about maintenance or operating costs. I was cross shopping vehicles like Scat Pack Chargers, used Audi S7's, SQ5's and came direct from a lease of a Chrysler 300S Hemi and never looked back since.

I am nearly 100% offset with solar at my home (since late 2019) so that's my "green" good deed I guess, but honestly it was more of a financial decision since the incentives were/are so good here in NJ. Full ROI is 5-years or less and entire system is warrantied for 25-years so it's just a money printer after about 5. ?

Only counterpoint I would make to your statement or calculations is you DON'T actually get 360mi to a charge....not even close. My 2018 was rated at 310mi. and realistically on the road at normal highway speeds that's 250-270mi MAX. Other EV brands are much more true to their range estimates and I'm honestly surprised Tesla hasn't done better and got more realistic with their ratings because it's 100% not accurate and turns many new owners off or makes them paranoid that something is wrong with their packs....I'm sure we've all seen the rants.

Then you consider your phantom losses like while parked before sleeping, Sentry Mode, charging inefficiencies, cold weather driving, etc. still no reason to go back to gas, but just not quite as cheap per mile as some may believe or preach. ?

 

[Trbizwiz]

I don't know about anthropogenic global warming. I don't even care to debate it, because I don't know. I do know in just over 100 years humanity has used a massive amount of resources that took millions of years to form in the earth. In less than a few hundred more years, at todays pace, we will use them all. I think that is not sustainable. I am most interested in humanity using our abilities and resources to push the edges of sustainability. Right now that seems to be renewable power generation and EV's It could be something else in the near future. You can not make a jump like this all at once, and we will have to continue to use natural gas as the heavy lifting for energy production. I think over time, Solar can be a solution to replace natural gas, especially with the advent of the megapack. I think Megapack, and Tesla Solar could be the real profit drivers in the very near future, and I think Tesla knows it too, and that why they are building two new megapack factories, and jumping in to lithium refining. In a decade Automotive will be huge, and it'll be a small part of Tesla's Portfolio, if they don't get Rockafeller'd. I personally hope the big auto manufacturers survive, for this very reason. If they start going out of business, and Tesla turns in to a juggernaut with multiple industry leading businesses, the calls to break 'em up will come. That is bad for investors. Right now we can buy one stock that covers all the future bases. Which ones do you bet on if they get broken up in to energy, storage, IT, automotive, and possibly distribution, and with their cash horde, and Elon's banking past, maybe even finance?
Back to Cybertruck, I am glad its good for the environment. I think smog is a problem, even if Carbon is over sold. But I love that it can be powered by domestically secured energy, as well as renewables. I have FPL, and I have a program called EVolution home. We currently charge our model Y P, off peak for $31/month. We barely have to charge two to 3 days per week, and even then, its for a few hours at a time. I could easily charge 3 vehicles per week, with no fuss, and probably 6 if I moved the charge cord once per night. Imagine being able to replace your entire family fuel bill with a $31/month option. We live near one of FPL's solar installations, and we subscribe to that program. So much of our energy is renewable. I have opted for Tesla Solar, but so far they have ignored my order, as they don't currently serve south FL other than the Tampa area. You can get Tesla Solar through third party rip off artists though, but you'll pay as much as all the others.
So long story short:
I can power Cybertruck free, since I already subscribe to off peak for another car
Its bullet proof
It has air ride
It has space to haul building materials for my projects
It may be able to transport my family of 6, fingers crossed
I don't care what it looks like, but it's growing on me.
I did not necessarily list these in order
Lastly, when American soldiers go off on missions to secure American interests, it wont be for oil, when we have alternatives. I know we need soldiers, and I know they need to secure interests. I respect the sacrifice they make, in just choosing to be a soldier, and give up a lot of autonomy, most of us enjoy in our lives and jobs. Not to mention the rest of the sacrifices they make. But hopefully soon, those interests wont be related to energy. We are getting closer to having a choice. I think Cybertruck can plummet domestic demand for fossil fuels, quickly. It may start out with suburbanites ditching giant petro powered SUV's. But eventually it'll be appreciated for its ability to be a work horse, and the rest of America will invest in it as well. It may cost more than, a decade old truck, but hopefully it can off set those costs with savings and value added.

 

[S.H.Peterson]

I want a truck that's not ICE - that's my reason.

GOOD ENOUGH!

 

[S.H.Peterson]

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Lastly, when American soldiers go off on missions to secure American interests, it wont be for oil, when we have alternatives. I know we need soldiers, and I know they need to secure interests. I respect the sacrifice they make, in just choosing to be a soldier, and give up a lot of autonomy, most of us enjoy in our lives and jobs. Not to mention the rest of the sacrifices they make. But hopefully soon, those interests wont be related to energy. We are getting closer to having a choice. I think Cybertruck can plummet domestic demand for fossil fuels, quickly. It may start out with suburbanites ditching giant petro powered SUV's. But eventually it'll be appreciated for its ability to be a work horse, and the rest of America will invest in it as well. It may cost more than, a decade old truck, but hopefully it can off set those costs with savings and value added.

I completely agree. I come from a military family and am decended from soldiers. I do not want this either. You made a lot of fine points about utility and value that are also very respectable.
Thank you.

 

[Tesla4life]

It’s the advantage of being old. You don’t have to care.

It’s like the guy who shits in the pool and leaves. He doesn’t care because he‘s done swimming.

He is sharing a different point of view. Deep inside, I’m sure he does care (human nature), although not publicly.
at least he is not anti-electric vehicle

 

[S.H.Peterson]

He is sharing a different point of view. Deep inside, I’m sure he does care (human nature), although not publicly.
at least he is not anti-electric vehicle

Mighty thoughtful , thank you.
I DO care for the environment and I am very much for responsible environmental stewardship.
Just done in a practial and sensible way. I want to preserve and grow the forests, wildlife, oceans, and all that but NOT at the process of sacrificing human life and prosperity. I belive that both can be done at the same time.
I am pro technology.
Cars started out as electric and now have come full circle now that infrastructure has caught up.
Cars dont run on benzene or kerosene and soon there is no need for any combustle fuel vehicles for popular transportation needs. Its the way of industrial evolution..

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