Another Hit Piece on Cybertruck

[CyberGus]

You’re right, it requires gas and is the petroleum industry last, best resort. Any EE feel free to step-up here with the engineering principles.

They have a whole treasury at stake and they can afford the fight. That’s how I came to see the attraction behind “hybrid” as the multi-decadal “free pass” tool for burning more petroleum oil and gas into the atmosphere that it is. Hybrid is evil. I tell you why…

Evil, because regardless how attractive is the range and dual fuel advantage measured per mile – petroleum enlists you to enable him to keep doing its dirty work. Every hybrid purchased will run another 25yrs. on gas. As long as you buy the Devil’s argument, his pumps keep pumping through you and out your tailpipe. Into the atmosphere you and the Devil you rode in on are to blame now!

That’s evil.

"A world 100% full of Priuses is still 100% addicted to oil." - Elon Musk

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[CybrGator]

"More" options, yes. "Better" options...highly unlikely...

 

[rr6013]

but hybrid still requires gas...in californicate, mgf'rs we will be required to build new ev's at a rate of 25% of the new vehicles starting in 2025 (25%)...... if the avg cost of EV's now is over 60k, what will it be in 2025.....not to mention the charging.....we have been told buy ev's....now, two days later we are told not to charge them due to energy shortage....but we have had energy shortages for the past 45 years and had brown outs and shut down.....what does that all say about the grid.....californicate in shutting down viable power plants with no plans that I can see that will cover the demand........wind and solar are not going to produce enough energy to make up the difference nor are they efficient.....its a crazy world we live in......but we keep giving money to help out ev mgf'rs which only increase the price (ex: Ford, $8500, cost of batteries and pandemic)...crazy

CA grid problems existed before EV’s. It has two interconnects beyond CA that it purchases sustainable power. The minor interconnect in the Mojave helps San Diego only.

Any EE feel free to step-up here with the engineering to get CA out of it self-inflicted grid brownouts. Its nuclear reactors shutdown all sat on fault zones. The last reactor it can’t afford to shutdown. So the state has wallpapered over the fact it sits on three earthquake faults to keep the lights on. CA oil peaker plants have been decommissioned except for one, I think, in San Diego. That’s the high level picture.

This forum has established prior that the U.S. grid has 3X energy capacity for the charging impacts added by EV’s. ERCOT proved that the energy isn’t available nor distributed appropriately. Tesla VPP pilot proved unused in-situ solar and Powerwall are valuable. Tesla 256 Megapacks come online this summer at Moss Landing.

Where’s hybrid? What does hybrid contribute to CO2 reduction and sustainable energy? There’s structural con-strictures in CA grid, policy and structural at ERCOT and I’ve heard an E-W problem moving energy through the Midwest grid sector.

Its not that EV’s cause problems. The problems were there before. Its not that Hybrids are better - they compound the greenhouse warming by extending it 25+yrs. EV’s are helping to stop the continued growth of greenhouse gases, global warming and turn renewable energy into sustainable resource at every level(grid, home and mobile).

Ask Hybrid what its helping and why hybrid deserves your money to support it?

 

[rr6013]

"A world 100% full of Priuses is still 100% addicted to oil." - Elon Musk

Ninja URL: https://www.tesla.com/blog/hybrids-plug-or-otherwise

 

[Sirfun]

Ninja URL: https://www.tesla.com/blog/hybrids-plug-or-otherwise

Interesting reading, but hindsight is 20-20. This was an opinion from Martin Eberhard, in 2006.

It does show how Tesla understood the importance of recouping energy to add efficiency. It was interesting that he felt All gas powered vehicles would be hybrid in a decade, which would have been 2016. That shows how legacy and the powers that be, continued to make people NOT want hybrids by using FUD. They made people think Hybrids were wimpy, and you have to worry about batteries going bad.
Now here we are in 2022 and almost all the sports car manufacturers build hybrids. It's a way to not only recoup energy, but also increase power.
Here in 2022, I disagree with Martin's opinion. Plug in Hybrids have a use. They are a good transition between pure ICE and EV. I drive a PHEV Pacifica because there was no option for an EV that covers the need for a large family vehicle. While owning the Pacifica I've fallen in love with the idea of a PHEV in the current times. My family takes many long family vacations, like up to 3000 mile trips. With the PHEV recouping energy we have the ability to average 30mpg and have a range of up to 500 miles (we NEVER drive 500 miles without stopping) but when we do fill up it's a short break, and we can fill up at any gas station, without worrying about finding a charging station. So it's a great road trip vehicle, BUT it's also a great daily driver. My wife and I, don't work. We rarely drive over the 31 miles the van averages on a full battery, in a day. Also the engine being used but for about 1/2 the miles the van is driven, so that's way less wear and tear, and maintenance. And it saves brakes!
I just wish the manufacturers would give a bit more range. Imagine how useful it would be to have a daily driver truck with 65 miles of range, and then when you need it for towing, you wouldn't be having all the problems of short range and long charging times. Eventually, getting rid of the long charging times, and price of batteries will make having a PHEV truck not as good of a choice. But in our current state of affairs, a PHEV could be a good choice if you use your truck for towing or long road trips.

 

[Ogre]

This one by Popular Mechanic. “Too little too late” is their click bait headline.
Article includes the line
“the electric truck industry is quickly flooding with high-quality vehicles from legitimately well-known manufacturers”

What a load of crap from another pub accepting legacy advert $

Thank you for not linking this steaming pile of turd article.

Funny to me that they don’t say the same about Silverado and Ram who are apparently also “Too Late”.

 

[firsttruck]

Thank you for not linking this steaming pile of turd article.

Funny to me that they don’t say the same about Silverado and Ram who are apparently also “Too Late”.

Yup, the mainstream media and Tesla bears do not mention that back in 2017 GM promised to be shipping 20 EV models by end of 2022.

 

[ldjessee]

I still think a superconducting 'trunk' line from coast to coast to help even out power issues and to trade power fluctuations and demand across the country.

If you think we do not have the Super conducting technology, every MRI has superconductors in them. Also, China is running a maglev train.

So, I think we have the technology.

Also, then could run a superconductor trunk north south, like all the way to South America... why? Season power shifting... when we are in Winter, they are Summer... more day light means more solar potential.
Could run it in a Boring company tunnel, so all the issues with seizing peoples land, etc that was needed for the pipeline would be less of an issue for this. Just surface land for the locations of access stations... and, since you are running one tunnel, might as well and run three... one for the superconductor trunk and maintenance, and two for traffic/train/etc, one going each way...

Even if only going 'slow' high speed rail velocities, it would still be faster than driving... or more relaxing...

 

[Ogre]

I still think a superconducting 'trunk' line from coast to coast to help even out power issues and to trade power fluctuations and demand across the country.

If you think we do not have the Super conducting technology, every MRI has superconductors in them. Also, China is running a maglev train.

So, I think we have the technology.

Also, then could run a superconductor trunk north south, like all the way to South America... why? Season power shifting... when we are in Winter, they are Summer... more day light means more solar potential.
Could run it in a Boring company tunnel, so all the issues with seizing peoples land, etc that was needed for the pipeline would be less of an issue for this. Just surface land for the locations of access stations... and, since you are running one tunnel, might as well and run three... one for the superconductor trunk and maintenance, and two for traffic/train/etc, one going each way...

Even if only going 'slow' high speed rail velocities, it would still be faster than driving... or more relaxing...

You could run HVDC from North America to South America. But it would likely be cheaper to just install it in the southern parts of the US and ship it north/ south. For example, Southern California has a lot of desert area with lots of sunlight and the length of their days isn’t affects as much as areas in the northern states. Of course Washington and Oregon get a huge chunk of their power from the Columbia River so IMO it’s a low priority to convert up here.

I suspect it would make most sense to spend that money on local solar + storage. Transmission loss is a big part of our power grid. You could create a lot of excess capacity with the money saved from not installing transmission lines.
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[ldjessee]

There is practically no power lose with super conductors, otherwise, you are right, the loses would be too high.

And I would expect lots of installations in the south, but as we shift more and more things to use electricity, and for those new things we will figure out that will use electricity, we will need a lot of power.

But I understand I could be over estimating industrial uses and loads for electricity...

 

[jerhenderson]

by mid 23 I don't expect any other options yet.... maybe mid 24.

 

[Ogre]

There is practically no power lose with super conductors, otherwise, you are right, the loses would be too high.

And I would expect lots of installations in the south, but as we shift more and more things to use electricity, and for those new things we will figure out that will use electricity, we will need a lot of power.

But I understand I could be over estimating industrial uses and loads for electricity...

I suspect demand for power will be huge.

In the summer time power will be super cheap. Good chance sun rich places like Arizona will attract a lot of industry. Texas too.

 

[Dids]

There is practically no power lose with super conductors, otherwise, you are right, the loses would be too high.

And I would expect lots of installations in the south, but as we shift more and more things to use electricity, and for those new things we will figure out that will use electricity, we will need a lot of power.

But I understand I could be over estimating industrial uses and loads for electricity...

I believe that all currently know low pressure superconductors require being chilled to something like -157f. There is one that superconductors at 57 f but it is under tremendous pressure (13 GPa). I think there really isn't a way to cover the cost of a superconducting transmission line with current tech.

 

[Cherokee180C]

Popular Mechanics has always been pro-Detroit, but from their perspective it makes sense. From 'my' perspective I don't care what they (or any detractors) say. If Tesla produces the Cybertruck that they said they would (and for me that is a 3mm stainless exoskeleton with a 500+ mile range) then that is what I am getting. For me it isn't just about functional features but about what Tesla offers as a company. Taken together you would almost be a fool to go with any other truck (no offense intended).

You are a fool to rely on the EA network of chargers. Just ask the All Electric Family who had to be towed on their second F150L road trip. They have had many other EV’s, so this was not user error, but EA chargers all down. Talk all you want about looks etc, but doesn’t go from point A to point B without a reliable charger network.

 

[Cherokee180C]

Ill have you notice that GM did not crack the top 10 American made. And Ford had just one car make this list.

That list is even crazier when you put the relative actual sales numbers on the chart. ICE car manufacturers are in for a world of financial hurt in the next 3 years and many will not survive.

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