Cybertruck VIN decoder! -- GVWR Vehicle Weight Revealed + **only** Dual and Tri Motor for 2024

[JBee]

Going slower to reduce charge times so you can arrive at your destination sooner is only valid on routes without normal Supercharger density (or in some non-Tesla EV's with very slow charging).

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but given that I was responding to someone else who stated 250miles between superchargers on their weekly trip in CO, I'd say that constitutes a long enough distance between chargers to make my comment valid.

Besides that, your comment that there is no upper speed limit for EV charging if you have enough SC nearby is not physically correct. Even if they were next to the highway, and you didn't have to detour much, the time taken to exit the freeway, the car and connect, disconnect get back on the freeway and up to speed needs to be factored into the equation, along with free capacity in both parking and charge rate at supercharger levels, and SoC of the vehicle at the time you arrive, all need to be factored into the equation.

The net result is that all these add up to reduce your average time and add uncertainty to the travel time equation, all of which driving point to point without stopping does not have.

Further, despite your bluff claim, there is unlikely any time speeds of 130MPH can be held at a "average" by a M3LR or P for the whole trip, let alone a long one, without throttling occurring. There's plenty of autobahn tests showing this, and they also highlight the fact that if the batteries are warm from fast discharge, charging speeds are also reduced, meaning at these power levels an Ev can never keep pace with a good old V6 turbo diesel on a German autobahn for more than a few minutes, let alone hours.

And this all ignores the fact your battery will degrade more, as it's also the rate of discharge/charge that degrades battery, plus the DoD issue explained previously, that you don't fully comprehend the implications of yet, and how a 500mile range pack better compensates for the DoD/cycling ratio. Take a look at this:

Either way the less brute force method is the only one I'd recommend for cost, reliability, safety, compliance and peace of mind, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with adding all the extra EV performance arguments that aren't accurate for long range driving, being a part of the 500mile issue being discussed.

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[CYBRSMTH]

there are two ratcheting arms of the credit

one is assembled in N America - check

the other is 40% of the value of critical minerals sourced from the United States or a country with which it has a free trade agreement - I don’t think anyone here has any idea where the 4680 critical minerals will come from

but if the CT will qualify in 2024, we should see the DOE/IRS explicitly add the CT to their list of qualifying vehicles - currently Tesla doesn’t have any 2024 vehicles submitted/showing on the list (other OEMs do)

maybe Tesla is waiting to file their 2024 certs when they can add the CT (doing so sooner than Nov 30, would let the cat out of the bag on MSRP and trima)

Ah, I see. I didn’t realize they weren’t on the list yet. We know that batteries for Teslas are coming out of Texas and Nevada and I thought there was a pivot a few months back to get lithium from Australia, but the processing of the lithium seems to be the missing information.

Elon has been saying that processing lithium is like printing money and Tesla doesn’t want to have to do it themselves, but they will. Hence the lithium refinery on the gulf coast. Not sure how far along that place is though.

The US economy as whole, and the auto industry specifically, are oddly reliant on international countries to function. We need to eliminate corporate greed and get back to producing things in our own country.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

The Cybertruck WILL have 500+ mile range....

By the time I get it, IF I am still alive

That was kind of my thinking but your number may come up sooner then you think if enough people cancel ahead of you. Origionally that jump from a Dual to tri was 40% more. That increase was for the battery cost more then anything . I would Rather see Tesla just release the Dual motor then to release a "Performance version tri motor varient with the same range", I also hope they allow people to wait for the 500 mile version. I won't get another EV (car or truck) with less then 400 miles . By 2025 I expect to be in a Cybertruck, Silverado or worst case back to a Tundra if neither Tesla or Chevy can deliver a 400+ range truck by then.

 

[cvalue13]

Shit is going to be awkward if the 500 range is revealed at launch.

funny isn’t it, how here that risk only runs in one direction - mine.

here he postures like he’s going to assume I’m making things up, unless I “cite” some information - which ‘cite’ I could just as easily make up

Meanwhile, what’s obvious and objectively true must be one of two things:

(1) I genuinely believe it, or​

(2) I’m actively attempting to make a mockery of myself on Nov. 30, in a community I invest a fair amount of time in​

that’s more reliable evidence than any ‘cite’ I could make up

 

[CybertruckAgent]

For further discussion on weights, here is how it compares to the weight of other Tesla's:

• CyberTruck - Performance - 9,XXX pounds GVWR - 3,500 lbs Payload - Under 6,499 Curb Weight??
• CyberTruck - Standard - 8,XXX pounds GVWR - 3,500 lbs Payload - Under 5,499 Curb Weight???
• Model X - 6,250 pounds GVWR - 1,065 lbs Payload - 5,185 Curb Weight*
• Model S - 5,596 pounds GVWR - 830 lbs Payload - 4,766 Curb Weight*
• Model Y - Long Range - 5,712 pounds GVWR - 1,157 lbs Payload- 4,555 Curb Weight*

!!! EDIT: Apparently the VIN is GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weigh Rating) which is different from the Curb Weight of the vehicle. This is the maximum allowable total mass of the vehicle. This is calculated as the weight of the vehicle equipped with the heaviest factory selectable options, all passengers, fluids, and cargo. This includes Cargo/Passengers. This post has been edited to provide more accurate information and to not have dis-information out there from my post.

* Lots of different information out there on Curb Weights depending on configs, this is the best information I was able to find. Might be slight variances here depending on Model Year and configuration.

I might have missed something but where are you getting those payload numbers from? The average Crew Cab 1500 pickup has a payload more like 1500-2000 pounds. Every ounce of weight added to the vehicle (power seats, heated seats, whacking great battery packs) as well as a suspension with high articulation lowers the payload of a truck. For example the Silverado 1500 ZR2 AEV Bison, a truck that’s “off road” built but with luxury features has a payload of about 1200 pounds. The Ram Power Wagon is a 2500 Hd frame and powertrain, but with the off road articulation in the suspension it only has a payload of 1600 pounds. When Elon stated CT has 14 inches of suspension travel, that and the nature of Tesla’s and EV’s does not jive with 2500-3500 pounds of payload at all.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

I might have missed something but where are you getting those payload numbers from? The average Crew Cab 1500 pickup has a payload more like 1500-2000 pounds. Every ounce of weight added to the vehicle (power seats, heated seats, whacking great battery packs) as well as a suspension with high articulation lowers the payload of a truck. For example the Silverado 1500 ZR2 AEV Bison, a truck that’s “off road” built but with luxury features has a payload of about 1200 pounds. The Ram Power Wagon is a 2500 Hd frame and powertrain, but with the off road articulation in the suspension it only has a payload of 1600 pounds. When Elon stated CT has 14 inches of suspension travel, that and the nature of Tesla’s and EV’s does not jive with 2500-3500 pounds of payload at all.

The 3500 number was what Teslas design goals were. We have no Idea what the final number will be so they are just pluggin in the numbers that were origionally given.

 

[HaulingAss]

By 2025 I expect to be in a Cybertruck, Silverado or worst case back to a Tundra if neither Tesla or Chevy can deliver a 400+ range truck by then.

Good luck with that. The chance of GM producing a significant number of EV trucks by 2025 is very low and they will certainly be quite expensive for a 400+ mile range version with unknown longevity/reliability. Ultium ain't so ultimate.

GM talks a big EV game, but they don't deliver, it's just all hot air and diversion.

 

[CybertruckAgent]

The 3500 number was what Teslas design goals were. We have no Idea what the final number will be so they are just pluggin in the numbers that were origionally given.

I promise you it won’t be that much, you can’t cheat physics. Compliant ride and off road abilities are achieved with the exact opposite of that which achieves a high payload number.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Good luck with that. The chance of GM producing a significant number of EV trucks by 2025 is very low and they will certainly be quite expensive for a 400+ mile range version with unknown longevity/reliability. Ultium ain't so ultimate.

GM talks a big EV game, but they don't deliver, it's just all hot air and diversion.

The 450 mile work truck is $79.9K but they did announce limited EV production which was a dissapointment but it looks like there is enough dissapointment to go around in the EV truck market these days.

 

[cvalue13]

Maybe this is the most productive, confusion-clearing way of thinking about all this:

In terms of previously-understood model nomenclature, here’s the only one of those CyberTruck model being released on Nov. 30

additionally, as an unexpected ‘bonus’, that exact same singular model comes in a ‘performance’ configuration that will mean it’s even FASTER than expected

it’s only coincidental that this ‘performance’ trim of the “Dual Motor” model utilizes a third motor to accomplish this speed. (Which causes confusion around the 4 years of conditioning to think of any CT with a third motor to be an entirely different model, with entirely different specs across the board.)

Framed by expectations set from the unveil, Tesla is not on Nov 30 releasing two of the three models described in 2019.

So for those hoping for one of those two models that aren’t releasing on Nov 30, you should be focused on hoping that in addition to describing the model they are releasing, they also say something about their plans with respect to the ‘other’ models

 

[cvalue13]

The 450 mile work truck is $79.9K but they did announce limited EV production which was a dissapointment but it looks like there is enough dissapointment to go around in the EV truck market these days.

that’s the Work Trycj, available only to fleet sales, no?

I think the LR version for retail has been signaled at $107K

 

[HaulingAss]

The 450 mile work truck is $79.9K but they did announce limited EV production which was a dissapointment but it looks like there is enough dissapointment to go around in the EV truck market these days.

The $79.9K price is fake. GM cannot sell them at high volume without losing hundreds of millions of dollars doing it. It's only done for show in teaser quantities to create a false impression.

Don't be fooled by GM's marketing. They are experts at appearing like a lamb, but that is all a lie.

 

[Throwcomputer]

Gm also pushed start of Silverado EV sales off to 2025

 

[ninja6r]

Maybe this is the most productive, confusion-clearing way of thinking about all this:

In terms of previously-understood model nomenclature, here’s the only one of those CyberTruck model being released on Nov. 30

additionally, as an unexpected ‘bonus’, that exact same singular model comes in a ‘performance’ configuration that will mean it’s even FASTER than expected

it’s only coincidental that this ‘performance’ trim of the “Dual Motor” model utilizes a third motor to accomplish this speed. (Which causes confusion around the 4 years of conditioning to think of any CT with a third motor to be an entirely different model, with entirely different specs across the board.)

Framed by expectations set from the unveil, Tesla is not on Nov 30 releasing two of the three models described in 2019.

So for those hoping for one of those two models that aren’t releasing on Nov 30, you should be focused on hoping that in addition to describing the model they are releasing, they also say something about their plans with respect to the ‘other’ models

I don't want to believe you, but if they do only release those 2 versions, it'll be a shit-show. Double so if the performance version is anything above $60k. I think if you're right, they will also announce the 500 mile range one. If they don't let you configure and put a deposit down for that one, I don't see how the reservation que is going to work and your place in line probably isn't going to matter anymore.

 

[CyberGus]

The US economy as whole, and the auto industry specifically, are oddly reliant on international countries to function. We need to eliminate corporate greed and get back to producing things in our own country.

Corporate greed built this country

Why do you hate America

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