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Remember that we are all considered BEV first adopters.

The BEV floodgates will bust wide open once a true battery cell breakthrough occurs that is affordable AND scaleable.

We will all look back in 2034 and get a kick out of how heavy, large and limited range battery packs were a decade ago.
First adopters? Not really.
Early adopters, maybe.

Can you call the owners of the highest selling vehicle in the US and world "first adopters"? I've been driving EVs for about 9 years, and there are a lot who have been driving for a LOT longer.

You probably won't see a cell breakthrough in your lifetime, but you will see some incremental increases. But we will get to a point soon where range isn't a big deal to the masses.

What you will see is the old ICE concepts getting transformed into EV reality. Speed and acceleration used to be considered something that didn't exist in EVs, but most now know otherwise.
Range is something that most non-EV owners worry with today. I don't. I know that I can jump in and drive across country with no issues today. I know that I'll have enough range in the morning to jump in and go where I need to go.

Just the charge at home is revolutionary. Think of the infrastructure that is out there today to support ICE vehicles. Go 10 miles down the road and how many gas stations are you going to pass? Dozens? A hundred? That's going to go away. No need to have a gas station on every corner anymore. On the road, sure, but not on every corner.
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I guess ABRP model is still far off on the real world

Setting it to 80 mph and 46 °F results in 591 Wh/mi, 3 charging stops and 35 min total charging time

Setting it to 70 mpg and 54 °F results in 489 Wh/mi, one charging stop and 23 min total charging time

Both far off from OP charging times by a lot
 

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SoCal to Bay Area trip. Night drive, some elevation change heading out of LA area, then mostly flat throughout the Central Valley. Speeds varied from 70-80, temps were 46-54F. Used 250kw superchargers along the way and spent about 80 minutes total between 3 of the charging spots utilized. Drive was great outside of some of what others have said -such as using the wiper when we hit a small 10 minute patch of rain. Water builds up under the wiper and when the rain stops, you have to let that buildup flow up and hit the wiper a few times well after the rain has stopped. Same ol story with that rear camera, as it became worthless until I hit a supercharger and cleaned it off. Image shows trip details.

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could u tell your VIN?
 

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I guess ABRP model is still far off on the real world

Setting it to 80 mph and 46 °F results in 591 Wh/mi, 3 charging stops and 35 min total charging time

Setting it to 70 mpg and 54 °F results in 489 Wh/mi, one charging stop and 23 min total charging time

Both far off from OP charging times by a lot
Why would you use ABRP over the Tesla navigation planner? Tesla has direct access to the vehicle telemetry, etc., while ABRP does not (to my knowledge).
 


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Just another data point for changing speed and efficiency numbers.

(Last drive, a friend saw me at a super charger and asked for a drive, quick 0-100-0 drive.)
Tesla Cybertruck My Cybertruck range from 473 mile road trip from SoCal to Bay Area IMG_7615
 

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Why would you use ABRP over the Tesla navigation planner? Tesla has direct access to the vehicle telemetry, etc., while ABRP does not (to my knowledge).
because it’s fun to see how much time it would take for many trips since I do not have a Cybertruck

and yes, ABRP does get telemetry from Tesla vehicles if the owner register it, this is its so accurate in other models, but likely few if any Cybertruck on it yet, will be a while until they have enough data to be accurate
 

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Remember that we are all considered BEV first adopters.

The BEV floodgates will bust wide open once a true battery cell breakthrough occurs that is affordable AND scaleable.

We will all look back in 2034 and get a kick out of how heavy, large and limited range battery packs were a decade ago.
I hope.

Although battery tech improvements seem to be moving forward fairly slowly (see 4680s, etc). From 2014 to 2024 what have the gains been in battery efficiency % wise?

We do need some type of breakthrough. But if you look at the internal combustion engines. Mileage improvements did occur, but they haven't that much over the last 20 years.
 

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Remember that we are all considered BEV first adopters.

The BEV floodgates will bust wide open once a true battery cell breakthrough occurs that is affordable AND scaleable.

We will all look back in 2034 and get a kick out of how heavy, large and limited range battery packs were a decade ago.
I'm hoping we'll have options to replace a worn pack with new tech pack that's lighter with more energy. Has that been the case with any Teslas in the past? (Being able to get newer tech upon battery replacement?)
 


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I'm hoping we'll have options to replace a worn pack with new tech pack that's lighter with more energy. Has that been the case with any Teslas in the past? (Being able to get newer tech upon battery replacement?)
AFAIK, the only option has been to get a NEW car with the latest and 'greatest'. That is the most cost effective and profitable for them (Tesla). There are some 3rd party (link) that do some pack upgrades (larger / more current) but a small percentage.

Tesla Cybertruck My Cybertruck range from 473 mile road trip from SoCal to Bay Area HO9HTYu
 

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I want to stop and smell the roses myself in Coalinga.

Although I would love to have the kind of range you got.
I made this run to Kettlman in my model Y in 2022. "Some rise" in elevation on the L.A. side is over a mile vertical down from summit to central valley. On the downhill run to the central valley is a drop of a extra thousand feet to about 250 ft above sea level. From the top of the famous Grapevine you regenerate more than you use on the approach side from a higher elevation.
Still you need to charge when you reach the central valley for the long flat run on the valley floor.
Famous steakhouse Harris Ranch parking lot is where I used the Tesla charger and had a great lunch.
 

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SoCal to Bay Area trip. Night drive, some elevation change heading out of LA area, then mostly flat throughout the Central Valley. Speeds varied from 70-80, temps were 46-54F. Used 250kw superchargers along the way and spent about 80 minutes total between 3 of the charging spots utilized. Drive was great outside of some of what others have said -such as using the wiper when we hit a small 10 minute patch of rain. Water builds up under the wiper and when the rain stops, you have to let that buildup flow up and hit the wiper a few times well after the rain has stopped. Same ol story with that rear camera, as it became worthless until I hit a supercharger and cleaned it off. Image shows trip details.

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So slightly better than 2 Miles per KW. Range from fully charged to completely empty roughly 250 Miles or 100% to 20% 200 range if you are like me and don't fully drain the battery.
 

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First adopters? Not really.
Early adopters, maybe.

Can you call the owners of the highest selling vehicle in the US and world "first adopters"? I've been driving EVs for about 9 years, and there are a lot who have been driving for a LOT longer.

You probably won't see a cell breakthrough in your lifetime, but you will see some incremental increases. But we will get to a point soon where range isn't a big deal to the masses.

What you will see is the old ICE concepts getting transformed into EV reality. Speed and acceleration used to be considered something that didn't exist in EVs, but most now know otherwise.
Range is something that most non-EV owners worry with today. I don't. I know that I can jump in and drive across country with no issues today. I know that I'll have enough range in the morning to jump in and go where I need to go.

Just the charge at home is revolutionary. Think of the infrastructure that is out there today to support ICE vehicles. Go 10 miles down the road and how many gas stations are you going to pass? Dozens? A hundred? That's going to go away. No need to have a gas station on every corner anymore. On the road, sure, but not on every corner.
absolutely 100% you'll see charging stations on about 10% of those corners replacing Gas Stations, already happening with Hybrid stations, fuel and EV charging. I don't blame them its a business. Charging astronomical rates too. Some charging stations charge the same for gasoline which is crazy to see. At home it's getting worse. As of now, if I charge my vehicle I pay PGE for 8hrs of charging at home .62 per 1kw $60 and when I run my gasoline generator for 8hrs it costs $31 now that's robbery.
 

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Some charging stations charge the same for gasoline which is crazy to see.
I usually find that if I'm road tripping, it's more expensive to supercharge than to fill up with gas. A $50 fill up will take me 320 miles at really terrible fuel consumption in my jeep. A $25 supercharging session will only take me 120 miles under road trip conditions in the winter. It's certainly not always the case, but I usually supercharge only when road tripping, and that's usually when I hit the highest rates and the lowest efficiency.
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