Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck

[CyberTW]

As a Tesla shareholder and CT enjoyer I am disappointed that CHEVY of all companies appears to have made a more capable vehicle by range of metrics, usability, and versatility.
No steer by wire and the Silverado looks like a regular ugly truck, but the stat sheet is better than the CT and that is disapointing.

I get that. I will still do the CT for sure.. but this was impressive. I would guess it will be selling at a decent loss at $94k. Making a great EV truck is one thing (this hits good metrics!)… but making them at scale and for profit is another thing.. for the few thousands that get them the first few years, they will enjoy them! But let’s see how they scale before there is a business side to making trucks as well that is just as crucial as specs (see Lucid - top spec, can’t scale)
I think it is great they are making the CT look weak in some metrics, but we also have to look at it honestly and with the realistic view of making cars for profit (the goal of business)

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[CyberTW]

Don’t forget that Silverado will take more than 50% charge time compared to CT’s. It’s fun to talk about range until someone mentions charging time and battery size. Silverado batteries are 200+ KW, which is almost double that of CT. I love that Silverado has detachable rear windows. That feature is a huge plus compared to CT’s, but the battery size and charge time are deal breakers. What’s the point of 400 mile range when you have to wait for two hours for every pit stop during a road trip?!

Exactly, it’s literally every car business to market how awesome they are without mentioning the less ideal things - charge time, unable to produce those for a profit, etc…. Tesla does it too

 

[CyberTW]

I think many people are looking at trucks as a one-size-fits-all solution. They really aren't. There is a reason Ford has so many trim levels and why you rarely see Lariat, King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, or even XLT on most (or any) job sites - cost.

From Ford's own customer research, 80%-85% of Ford F-150 buyers are leisure drivers. The pickup is a convenience vehicle that provides versatility, space, and comfort. Most will never go beyond a gravel or dirt road once in a while and very few will be used as a work truck.

The Chevy Silverado EV out now is not sold to consumers, just to fleets. It has a massive 230 KWh or so battery and has a flat 350 KW charging curve. It is made to be an electric work truck with the largest battery version selling for $70k-$80K giving it a full 230 KWh and about 400+ miles of range. The trade off is that the inside is basically a work truck and missing many of the nice things most drivers want. It can tow heavy loads 200 miles, but is not an off-road vehicle.

The new Silverado, when it is finally released, looks more like a pure work truck.

Want something more traditional and leans toward the leisure space? Get an F-150 Lighting.

Want to break away from the traditional, but want a more conservative and traditional look - Rivian may be the one for you.

If that is what you want, than go for it!

For me, I have driven an F-150 Lariat for 24 years (yes, the same one). I have towed with it, been on search and rescue missions with it, traveled all over the country with it , been camping (still do) with it, and used it as my daily commuter. I am one of those 80%-85% of people that like the versatility of the truck, but also the comfort of a nice car. I also like new and different things. So, for me, it is still the Cybertruck. It does everything I have ever used my F-150 for and then some while providing the comfort and uniqueness I prefer.

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[Cyber Man]

400+ mile range is a significant part of the actual driving day. ie. start at 100% charging overnight (ie. set departure time feature ... like was in my first 2011 Chevy Volt from day 1 so certainly in this RST).

Also depends the use case and perhaps you can just charge over lunch at 250+ kW (350 kW max)? We have seen a few charging examples now (Kyle and now Dan's)

Or 10 minutes at a couple bathroom and snack breaks.

Similar to Chevrolet Silverado EV 4WT charging curve (source link)& performance?

Here two real world examples of a roadtrips I took where my Stay-to-Stay (day-to-day) distance is show. Many people roadtrip < 400 miles per day. Or take lunch, or 10 minute breaks

I hear you. Silverado EV is a good choice. I seriously considered it, primarily because of the pass through feature for the second row. I’m just saying it’s important to weigh the pros and cons, and everyone has different needs. I was also considering Ramcharger EV because of the range, but CT 300 miles range is actually perfect for me. I prefer to take 20-30 mins break every 200 miles. I don’t prefer to take two hour break every 400 miles or one hour break every 200 miles, but I also know some families like to take extended breaks while doing road trips. IMHO, 300 miles is more than enough to be a daily driver. That’s 5 hours of driving. Unless someone’s day job is to drive around, 400 miles of range is not needed for daily driving. It’s more of an exception than the norm. Towing is the only big plus with Silverado EV, but again we cannot discount the fact that you have unhitch and wait for 2 hours every 150-200 miles. I hope CT’s pull through charging network improves over next few years, and towing shouldn’t be too much of a problem anymore. I’m ok to stop every 1.5 hours while towing and charge at a pull through charger for 30-40 miles. I can also power my trailer while CT charges.

At the end, there is no one size fit all. CT fits everything that I need, except the pass through rear window. I just have to live with that design limitation for now.

 

[kpanda17]

I hear you. Silverado EV is a good choice. I seriously considered it, primarily because of the pass through feature for the second row. I’m just saying it’s important to weigh the pros and cons, and everyone has different needs. I was also considering Ramcharger EV because of the range, but CT 300 miles range is actually perfect for me. I prefer to take 20-30 mins break every 200 miles. I don’t prefer to take two hour break every 400 miles or one hour break every 200 miles, but I also know some families like to take extended breaks while doing road trips. IMHO, 300 miles is more than enough to be a daily driver. That’s 5 hours of driving. Unless someone’s day job is to drive around, 400 miles of range is not needed for daily driving. It’s more of an exception than the norm. Towing is the only big plus with Silverado EV, but again we cannot discount the fact that you have unhitch and wait for 2 hours every 150-200 miles. I hope CT’s pull through charging network improves over next few years, and towing shouldn’t be too much of a problem anymore. I’m ok to stop every 1.5 hours while towing and charge at a pull through charger for 30-40 miles. I can also power my trailer while CT charges.

At the end, there is no one size fit all. CT fits everything that I need, except the pass through rear window. I just have to live with that design limitation for now.

I have been told in ABRP you can set that you are towing and it will select pull through chargers for your trip, YMMV
Tesla has promised in their NAV it will be updated for pull through filtering and selection
comeon Tesla!!

 

[Cybertruck2024]

I think many people are looking at trucks as a one-size-fits-all solution. They really aren't. There is a reason Ford has so many trim levels and why you rarely see Lariat, King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, or even XLT on most (or any) job sites - cost.

From Ford's own customer research, 80%-85% of Ford F-150 buyers are leisure drivers. The pickup is a convenience vehicle that provides versatility, space, and comfort. Most will never go beyond a gravel or dirt road once in a while and very few will be used as a work truck.

The Chevy Silverado EV out now is not sold to consumers, just to fleets. It has a massive 230 KWh or so battery and has a flat 350 KW charging curve. It is made to be an electric work truck with the largest battery version selling for $70k-$80K giving it a full 230 KWh and about 400+ miles of range. The trade off is that the inside is basically a work truck and missing many of the nice things most drivers want. It can tow heavy loads 200 miles, but is not an off-road vehicle.

The new Silverado, when it is finally released, looks more like a pure work truck.

Want something more traditional and leans toward the leisure space? Get an F-150 Lighting.

Want to break away from the traditional, but want a more conservative and traditional look - Rivian may be the one for you.

If that is what you want, than go for it!

For me, I have driven an F-150 Lariat for 24 years (yes, the same one). I have towed with it, been on search and rescue missions with it, traveled all over the country with it , been camping (still do) with it, and used it as my daily commuter. I am one of those 80%-85% of people that like the versatility of the truck, but also the comfort of a nice car. I also like new and different things. So, for me, it is still the Cybertruck. It does everything I have ever used my F-150 for and then some while providing the comfort and uniqueness I prefer.

I'm with you 100%. I'm a F-150 driver and it does everything I want it to do. I'm hopeful that the CT does things that I don't know I need as well.

I'm apparently #2 pre-order at my local Chevy dealer and they are making it sound like I could get a RST before my "mid-late 2024" Cyberbeast order is ready. I told them if it's available for a test drive before I get my Beast I would check it out, not to take me off the list. There's a 90% chance I continue to wait for my CT, but you never know I suppose. My biggest issue is the 4.5 second 0-60 would put me to sleep and it seems that is only in launch WOW mode. What's the 0-60 without launching? It's the same reason I won't get a AWD CT, I don't want something slower than my Lightning is now. I have a dream that I beat at least one AWD CT off the line at a red light before I get my Beast, to enforce how great the Lightning really is.

 

[DumpsterFire]

Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality
- bed adjust length,
- tailgate opening options,
- removeable and storable rear window,
- midgate lets you care 10+ feet items "inside"
- ~400+ range,
- HUD display,
- electric rear view mirror!,
... blows away Cybertruck

Title: The Longest Range Electric Truck in the WORLD... and its not even close!

Similar to Chevrolet Silverado EV 4WT charging curve (source link)& performance?

The specs are impressive and good for them but the problem for me is that it’s still a Chevy.

Promise I’m not being a fanboi here but the two worst cars I’ve ever had the displeasure of owning were Chevrolets.

Maybe the Chevy EV versions are better. I hope so for their sake!

 

[Flaskman]

My 2024 Duramax 2500 High Country with 4800. Miles on it has been nothing but problems. Crooked steering wheel, noisy suspension, crooked bumper and multiple trips to the dealer with very poor results. ? its my dream machine and I have nothing buy buyers remorse.

 

[scottf200]

My 2024 Duramax 2500 High Country with 4800. Miles on it has been nothing but problems. Crooked steering wheel, noisy suspension, crooked bumper and multiple trips to the dealer with very poor results. ? its my dream machine and I have nothing buy buyers remorse.

Hopefully, Tesla gets the various things wrong with the Cybertruck fixed too because we have seen numerous issues from very enthusiastic/forgiving purchasers (4 yr waiters). --- Tesla "dealer" service centers use a lot of 'within spec' from various threads.

 

[Petertsai]

It still vaporware. What will be production rate and what batteries? A lot of batteries needed to get to 200kwh. Will it be loss leader like the Lighting?

 

[Cybertruck2024]

It still vaporware. What will be production rate and what batteries? A lot of batteries needed to get to 200kwh. Will it be loss leader like the Lighting?

Dealer called me because one is being delivered soon, so definitely are making them. Are they making only 1,000 a year? Maybe. But they're coming out.

The WT models seem to be pretty high production for fleets already too, I see a lot of those.

 

[Petertsai]

Dealer called me because one is being delivered soon, so definitely are making them. Are they making only 1,000 a year? Maybe. But they're coming out.

The WT models seem to be pretty high production for fleets already too, I see a lot of those.

They will be losing $$ if production rate is only 1000/ year.

 

[gooshjkc]

As much as the stats looks great on the Silverado EV it doesn’t tell you the whole picture. To start the battery pack is almost twice as much as the CT. If Tesla would’ve put the same battery size, it would probably have the same amount of range or even better. Next, GM has done this design before, nothing new and if memory serves me correctly, it got old really quick and they eventually discontinued it rather quickly. Most will never take down mid gate nor the rear window. Now, I give them kudos to the HUD, electric rear view mirror, and tailgate opening options. Wish Tesla would‘ve added at least one or more of those options. Although, CT is like the iPhone. The iPhone doesn’t have all of the bells and whistles as a Samsung, but at the end of the day everyone just use the same apps, the ones that both phones have. That’s the same case with the CT. It has everything that anyone will ever need. Now, the Silverado EV and CT will attract different people. Let’s just tell it as it is. People who buys these trucks are not going to use them as they really intend them to use them. Some might but not a majority of them. It’s more of a lifestyle. Lastly, GMs future with EV is questionable. On the other hand, Tesla will continue…

 

[Cybertruck2024]

They will be losing $$ if production rate is only 1000/ year.

It's more of a question of how many of each trim will be made. The WTs will be in higher production, I'm curious how many are on the road already? I'd guess quite a few more than CT.

 

[SentinelOne]

Good to have competition and push ev trucks forward / have options!

I own a GMC 2500 and it's been a great truck. My opinion:

- Im sure they'll sort it but their ultium platform / other EV's have had some serious issues and nothing remotely close to scale as of yet
- 1300lb payload? so me and a buddy and 2 dirt bikes and gear and god forbid any tools or anything in the truck and we're at max - 3 bikes and 3 people > max weight...with a 10k trailer and 1k tongue weight (10%) - it could be me, the trailer and my lunch and we'd be at max payload - basically saying for a lot of uses that's piss poor payload
- My current truck is 8k, so that doesn't bother me but dynamics of 6.8. vs. 8k+ is obviously going to be noticeable on a daily basis - worth it if you need the range (which is awesome on the Chevy).
- I don't have a use case for window/midgate so not a feature that's important to me but many seem to be a fan of it and it is more flexible vs. fixed bed so that's a positive
- If I wasn't getting a cyber truck I'd go get a new GMC or Ford 3500/350 vs. the Chevy EV

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