2024 Cybertruck Official Specs Leaked?! 😱 - Udated With Compare/Analysis

[C T Rick]

So I was the #7 post on this thread at 6:49 am pst. Now 12 1/2 hours later and probably 2 hours of reading catching up to post #302, what have I learned?

I should have just skipped this thread and waited 21 days, 20 hours and 30 minutes.

Rick

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[JBee]

So then is the battery capable of maxing out those motors? If so then why is Stellantis is promoting as if the mechanical generator is contributing power to the motors beyond the capabilities of the batteries? That's the part I don't understand. If you are towing something that is say 13000 lbs, will you be able to tow without the generator or do you need that additional power that they are touting that the generator will provide, is the 130 kw generator adding an additional 130 kw to the 250kw front and 238kw rear motors? Or is that capability only reached with the 130kw from the generator. Given how Tesla can match the horse power, I would assume that you can get all of the power from battery-only mode but if so then " The generator can also increase the power to the motor and gearbox when serious power is needed " is false advertising is it not?

The question is not "if" the pack can supply the motors, its a question of if it should, given that high discharge rates also lead to premature battery degradation. So turning on the generator makes sense under high load situations.

Note that straight and level cruise only requires a 5% of the total available hp output. With trailer probably still less than 10%.

In this situation the geny would likely start cycling on and off at say 70kW charge rate to replenish the battery from time to time, and keep the pack at a low to mid level when in geny mode. This is so you can recharge at a high rate (including from the onboard geny) whenever you like to reduce fuel use.

I'd also like to point out here that this combination will be quite useful for off-road in soft beach sand driving that has 10x the rolling resistance.

 

[4Dolio]

...with something like the Tesla Mobile Connector deciding what to draw based on the dongle, what happens when the charger tries to draw 40 amps if the DC/AC inverter is only capable of, say, 30 amps? It would of course not trip a 50a breaker, but would the inverter be damaged by this, or is this just a physics thing where you only get what is available?

On the V2V, I would like to understand if the efficiencies of possible mechanisms. In the scenario described above, you have an inverter taking DC from the battery to AC output, going to a mobile charger which is sending that AC to another vehicle, hitting it's inverter for AC to DC, then to the battery. Would it not be a more efficient solution for Tesla to have a DC V2V mechanism? Like a 2-sided NACS that bypasses the inverters? Maybe that's not an easy electrical engineering task (DC-DC V2V transfer).

V2H 50A 220v would be great, especially if it can work with a Tesla Wall Connector and integrate seamlessly with Powerwall and Solar. The Cybertruck could effectively be a massive energy bucket for your house in unusual circumstances. Plug it in and run your house and powerwalls til the CT is at like, 20%, then go to a SuperCharger while the PW run your house, fill up, repeat til your grid power is back.

I have done this with my Lightning and ProPower, if the EVSE you are using, like the Tesla Mobile Connecter is rated for amps > the supply side, 30amps in the case of the Lightning. Then you need to turn down the charge rate in the vehicle, if that is an option, to be below the supply side maximum. If you do not, it will just cause the inverters to shut down due to overload with no harm, just need to remove the load and restart the inverters...

If the EVSE is rated for under the supply side amps, then the EVSE is what will tell the vehicle to not draw more than it's rating. I am really really disappointed that the Ford Mobile EVSE is rated for like 32Amps, when the ProPower is only good for 30Amps. They really should have just turned it down to like 28-29Amps so that it would always work with any vehicle at almost the maximum capabilities of the Lightning without overloading it. I have considered busting that thing open to see if I can turn it's setting down to <30amps for exactly this reason.

I intentionally tested with with a friends Tesla, we overloaded the ProPower, and then we had the Tesla set it's limit to 30Amps, which worked great for a half hour worth of testing. Other times I have used the ProPower to simultaniously charge 3 BEVs, one at Level2 and 15amps, one at Level1 and 15 amps, and a third from the front inverter at Level1 and about 20 amps.

As for the DC-AC-AC-DC versus just streight DC-DC for V2V, it's possible, but more complex and with potentially higher power levels that would need a lot more vehicle communication nuance that might cause problems. The J1772 Level1 and Level2 are simple and universal. So KISS (Keep It Simple Silly) comes into play.... If you really want to fast charge, just use a tow rope and regen, that can recharge from any doner vehicle at whatever the maximum 100s of kW or regen that the towed vehicle can muster, versus the <20kWh max of an 240vac 80Amp EVSE...

Your powerwall thought exercise would probably work. There are all sorts of ways to leverage a BEV that has a simple onboard >6kW two phase 120/240vac inverter onboard. The whole Ford Home Power thing is actually likely overly complex. Just a simple essential loads pannel, or a whole home genset interlock and a few little UPS on your computers plus a BEVs 240 inverter plugged into a genset port on your home would get the job done just fine.

 

[4Dolio]

Is this an optical illusion or bad camera angle?

Joe T's daily fly over Giga TX's parking lot includes CT photos. Zooming in on one truck caught me eye. It appears as of the whole CT Body is off center? From the back of the cabin to the end of the truck bed.

Thoughts?

So Left Handed Chirality then... good to know

 

[newwave1331]

EDIT TO CLARIFY: i'm not suggesting a full manual has been published/printed, but instead that surely technicians, marketing, etc., are surely starting to receive data on the basics in advance of a launch 3 weeks away. Techs need training, websites need updating, etc.

Yeah, missed this. I did read of all of this thread but should have stopped after the first post.

My statement still stands. Even when I see a review of a 3rd party I'm going to question it. Dont blame me, MDR did this to me.

 

[scottf200]

Aside:

So then is the battery capable of maxing out those motors? If so then why is Stellantis is promoting as if the mechanical generator is contributing power to the motors beyond the capabilities of the batteries? That's the part I don't understand. If you are towing something that is say 13000 lbs, will you be able to tow without the generator or do you need that additional power that they are touting that the generator will provide, is the 130 kw generator adding an additional 130 kw to the 250kw front and 238kw rear motors? Or is that capability only reached with the 130kw from the generator. Given how Tesla can match the horse power, I would assume that you can get all of the power from battery-only mode but if so then " The generator can also increase the power to the motor and gearbox when serious power is needed " is false advertising is it not?

I think you are underestimating how powerful these modern electric motors are these days.

The Tesla Plaid battery is 100 kWh and can drive 761 kW at full launch (divided by 3 = 253.67 kW per motor). One of those motors (~250 kW) can pull a Tesla Semi Truck with 82000 lb payload down the highway (per presentations by Elon). Can the RamCharger front motor of 250 kW pull that much with the right gearing? Very likely!

We don't know all the details of the RamCharger but it has a peak 190 kW generator and normal 130 kW. I don't think we know and maybe they haven't tested in the real-world yet what the edge cases are. One ~plaid motor in the Semi can pull a payload 6 times the 13000 you mentioned tho. It has been standard forever to do load test up hills/mountains.

You are right that the clearly say "The generator can also increase the power to the motor and gearbox when serious power is needed" but we don't know what 'serious' power is. Is it passing cars while pulling a trailer? Getting on a highway onramp and needing to accelerate from 40 to 70 MPH while pulling a trailer? Wait and see. Based on my Tesla examples the battery can drive powerful motors by themselves (for X amount of time).

See this post for a Tesla Model X pulling a trailer with a car beating a car

 

[cvalue13]

. Even when I see a review of a 3rd party I'm going to question it.

Fair enough - I mean, even when I see "official coms" from Tesla, I'm going to question that ... maybe more.

It's to me one of the strange things about the "official coms only" mindset. It's treated like empirical info from a peer reviewed journal, as opposed to marketing from a for-profit auto manufacturer.

Tesla will do zero work to draw focus on the downsides, and plenty of work overstating the upsides.

To be fair to Tesla, clearly not everyone can take it.

 

[PilotPete]

Oh, and for the features you discussed, sounds about right. I want performance and tech. If that comes in a 223.2X79.9 footprint, cool. Works for me. If the back window doesn't roll, slide, fold, or make an origami swan, ok. If the frunk doesn't have outlets, I wasn't expecting them. If it has outlets in the bed, Ok, I might use them someday. If the frunk has no net, I can live with it. If it has Annette Funicello, well, that's creepy cause she died like 10 years ago. What the heck is she doing in my frunk. Honest officer, I bought the truck this way! I think the dash is comically large. So what. I don't lament that there isn't storage under there because I've seen that Tesla stuffed a bunch of systems stuff under there. It's not wasted space, there is stuff there!

I've said it a ton, I'm not here for a "truck", I'm buying the Cyber part of it. I'm buying the vision of what this vehicle was intended and turned out to be. I'm buying something "different" from everything else. I'm buying something that makes me smile. But I'm not emotionally invested in the CT. If the price isn't justified by the CT in my mind, then I'll wait for the M3+P/L. Maybe that one will. If not, the MSP certainly does. And with any of the 3 choices, I'll be happy. Ask my wife, I research the living crap out of this kind of purchase. I try very hard to avoid any emotional attachment until I'm handed the keys. By doing so I can walk away and find a better deal, or a better car somewhere else. All without shedding a tear. Heck, I thought a while back I was going to get a BMW electric. I researched the crap out of it, saw it first hand, and said "Not ready for prime time". Turned my back and walked away. Never looked back once. Towing and weight are not issues for me. If you tell me 4.0 0-60 is the best Tesla is ever going to get in the CT, well then, peace out.

I'm just appreciative that someone found this and put it out for us to consume. So thank you. I'm trying to commit every number to memory now. And I know there is a chance at least one of the numbers won't be the same when the timer up and to the right of this post hits 00:00:00:00. I'll live through that too.

 

[Sonic]

Nice!

Any chance we could have metric units in the OP? Saves everyone outside of the US googling every individual conversion.

 

[newwave1331]

Nice!

Any chance we could have metric units in the OP? Saves everyone outside of the US googling every individual conversion.

@cvalue13 is busy wiping noses.

You Aussie have plenty of time to convert those specs by 2030. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[cvalue13]

Nice!

Any chance we could have metric units in the OP? Saves everyone outside of the US googling every individual conversion.

@cvalue13 is busy wiping noses.

You Aussie have plenty of time to convert those specs by 2030. I wouldn't worry about it.

ChatGPT to the (painless) rescue:

Overall length: 18.6 feet (5.67 meters)
Overall width (no mirrors): 79.9 inches (2.03 meters)
Overall height (medium setting): (1.79 meters)
Wheelbase: 143 inches (3.63 meters)

Curb weights:

• 2 motor: 6,670 lbs (3,026 kg)
• 3 motor: 6,890 lbs (3,125 kg)

Tow rating: 11,000 lbs (4,989 kg)
Max tongue: 1,100 lbs (499 kg)
Bed length: 72.8 inches (1.85 meters)
Bed Width: 51 inches (1.30 meters)
Frunk volume: 7.1 cubic feet (0.20 cubic meters)
Weight capacity of trunk: 420 lbs (190 kg)

Headroom:

• Front: 41.6 inches (1.06 meters)
• Rear: 39 inches (0.99 meters)

Legroom:

• Front: 41 inches (1.04 meters)
• Rear: 40.9 inches (1.04 meters)

Shoulder room:

• Front: 63 inches (1.60 meters)
• Rear: 62 inches (1.57 meters)

Hip room:

• Front/Rear: 57.2 inches (1.45 meters)

Truck	Leg Room (Front)	Leg Room (Rear)	Shoulder Room (Front)	Shoulder Room (Rear)	Hip Room (Front)	Hip Room (Rear)	Headroom (Front)	Headroom (Rear)	Average (Combined)	Seating
Lightning	111.5 cm	110.7 cm	169.4 cm	167.6 cm	158.8 cm	159.0 cm	103.6 cm	102.6 cm	138.71 cm	5+
Ram 1500	104.1 cm	114.8 cm	167.6 cm	167.0 cm	161.0 cm	161.0 cm	104.1 cm	101.1 cm	138.22 cm	5+
Avalanche	105.4 cm	98.8 cm	165.6 cm	165.6 cm	156.5 cm	157.5 cm	103.4 cm	98.0 cm	131.12 cm	5
Cybertruck	104.1 cm	104.0 cm	160.0 cm	157.5 cm	145.3 cm	145.3 cm	105.7 cm	99.1 cm	127.76 cm	<5
Tacoma	109.2 cm	82.8 cm	148.3 cm	149.6 cm	145.3 cm	143.0 cm	101.1 cm	97.8 cm	124.96 cm	<5
R1T	105.2 cm	93.0 cm	153.9 cm	149.9 cm	139.4 cm	137.7 cm	104.4 cm	97.3 cm	122.43 cm	<5
Maverick	108.7 cm	91.2 cm	145.8 cm	141.2 cm	140.7 cm	137.7 cm	102.4 cm	100.6 cm	121.67 cm	<<5
Model Y (ref)	106.2 cm	102.9 cm	143.3 cm	137.2 cm	136.7 cm	128.5 cm	104.1 cm	100.1 cm	119.74 cm

Note: All measurements are in centimeters. "5+" in the Seating column indicates seating for five or more, and "<5" indicates seating for fewer than five passengers. The values in the "Average (Combined)" column represent the average of the respective dimensions for each vehicle.

Truck	Leg Room (Front)	Leg Room (Rear)	Shoulder Room (Front)	Shoulder Room (Rear)	Hip Room (Front)	Hip Room (Rear)	Headroom (Front)	Headroom (Rear)	Average (Combined)	Seating
Lightning	111.5 cm	110.7 cm	169.4 cm	167.6 cm	158.8 cm	159.0 cm	103.6 cm	102.6 cm	138.71 cm	5+
Cybertruck	104.1 cm	104.0 cm	160.0 cm	157.5 cm	145.3 cm	145.3 cm	105.7 cm	99.1 cm	127.76 cm	<5
R1T	105.4 cm	93.0 cm	154.4 cm	149.9 cm	139.4 cm	137.7 cm	104.6 cm	97.3 cm	123.64 cm	<5

Exterior Dimensions	Cybertruck	Lightning	Rivian R1T
Length (cm)	567.13 cm	590.75 cm	551.84 cm
Wheelbase (cm)	363.22 cm	369.57 cm	308.02 cm
Height (@medium) (cm)	179.07 cm	198.88 cm	196.34 cm
Width (w/o mirrors) (cm)	202.95 cm	203.20 cm	200.66 cm

Truck	Average Ext. Dimensions (Combined) (cm)	Wheelbase (cm)	Average Int. Dimensions (Combined) (cm)	Seating
Maverick	289.54	307.34	121.67	4
R1T	320.06	345.93	122.43	4.25
Tacoma (6' bed)	313.89	357.35	124.96	4.5
Cybertruck	317.18	363.22+4WS	127.76	4.5
Lightning (or any ICE F150 SCREW)	331.22	369.57	138.71	5
Ram 1500 (6'3" bed)	339.97	390.65	138.22	5

The values in the "Average Ext. Dimensions (Combined)" and "Wheelbase" columns are biased towards shorter being better, while the "Average Int. Dimensions (Combined)" column represents the combined average of interior dimensions, and the "Seating" column provides a seating rating based on rear shoulder and hip width.

 

[KScheidt]

ChatGPT to the (painless) rescue:

Overall length: 18.6 feet (5.67 meters)
Overall width (no mirrors): 79.9 inches (2.03 meters)
Overall height (medium setting): (1.79 meters)
Wheelbase: 143 inches (3.63 meters)

Curb weights:

• 2 motor: 6,670 lbs (3,026 kg)
• 3 motor: 6,890 lbs (3,125 kg)

Tow rating: 11,000 lbs (4,989 kg)
Max tongue: 1,100 lbs (499 kg)
Bed length: 72.8 inches (1.85 meters)
Bed Width: 51 inches (1.30 meters)
Frunk volume: 7.1 cubic feet (0.20 cubic meters)
Weight capacity of trunk: 420 lbs (190 kg)

Headroom:

• Front: 41.6 inches (1.06 meters)
• Rear: 39 inches (0.99 meters)

Legroom:

• Front: 41 inches (1.04 meters)
• Rear: 40.9 inches (1.04 meters)

Shoulder room:

• Front: 63 inches (1.60 meters)
• Rear: 62 inches (1.57 meters)

Hip room:

• Front/Rear: 57.2 inches (1.45 meters)

Truck	Leg Room (Front)	Leg Room (Rear)	Shoulder Room (Front)	Shoulder Room (Rear)	Hip Room (Front)	Hip Room (Rear)	Headroom (Front)	Headroom (Rear)	Average (Combined)	Seating
Lightning	111.5 cm	110.7 cm	169.4 cm	167.6 cm	158.8 cm	159.0 cm	103.6 cm	102.6 cm	138.71 cm	5+
Ram 1500	104.1 cm	114.8 cm	167.6 cm	167.0 cm	161.0 cm	161.0 cm	104.1 cm	101.1 cm	138.22 cm	5+
Avalanche	105.4 cm	98.8 cm	165.6 cm	165.6 cm	156.5 cm	157.5 cm	103.4 cm	98.0 cm	131.12 cm	5
Cybertruck	104.1 cm	104.0 cm	160.0 cm	157.5 cm	145.3 cm	145.3 cm	105.7 cm	99.1 cm	127.76 cm	<5
Tacoma	109.2 cm	82.8 cm	148.3 cm	149.6 cm	145.3 cm	143.0 cm	101.1 cm	97.8 cm	124.96 cm	<5
R1T	105.2 cm	93.0 cm	153.9 cm	149.9 cm	139.4 cm	137.7 cm	104.4 cm	97.3 cm	122.43 cm	<5
Maverick	108.7 cm	91.2 cm	145.8 cm	141.2 cm	140.7 cm	137.7 cm	102.4 cm	100.6 cm	121.67 cm	<<5
Model Y (ref)	106.2 cm	102.9 cm	143.3 cm	137.2 cm	136.7 cm	128.5 cm	104.1 cm	100.1 cm	119.74 cm

Note: All measurements are in centimeters. "5+" in the Seating column indicates seating for five or more, and "<5" indicates seating for fewer than five passengers. The values in the "Average (Combined)" column represent the average of the respective dimensions for each vehicle.

Truck	Leg Room (Front)	Leg Room (Rear)	Shoulder Room (Front)	Shoulder Room (Rear)	Hip Room (Front)	Hip Room (Rear)	Headroom (Front)	Headroom (Rear)	Average (Combined)	Seating
Lightning	111.5 cm	110.7 cm	169.4 cm	167.6 cm	158.8 cm	159.0 cm	103.6 cm	102.6 cm	138.71 cm	5+
Cybertruck	104.1 cm	104.0 cm	160.0 cm	157.5 cm	145.3 cm	145.3 cm	105.7 cm	99.1 cm	127.76 cm	<5
R1T	105.4 cm	93.0 cm	154.4 cm	149.9 cm	139.4 cm	137.7 cm	104.6 cm	97.3 cm	123.64 cm	<5

Exterior Dimensions	Cybertruck	Lightning	Rivian R1T
Length (cm)	567.13 cm	590.75 cm	551.84 cm
Wheelbase (cm)	363.22 cm	369.57 cm	308.02 cm
Height (@medium) (cm)	179.07 cm	198.88 cm	196.34 cm
Width (w/o mirrors) (cm)	202.95 cm	203.20 cm	200.66 cm

Truck	Average Ext. Dimensions (Combined) (cm)	Wheelbase (cm)	Average Int. Dimensions (Combined) (cm)	Seating
Maverick	289.54	307.34	121.67	4
R1T	320.06	345.93	122.43	4.25
Tacoma (6' bed)	313.89	357.35	124.96	4.5
Cybertruck	317.18	363.22+4WS	127.76	4.5
Lightning (or any ICE F150 SCREW)	331.22	369.57	138.71	5
Ram 1500 (6'3" bed)	339.97	390.65	138.22	5

The values in the "Average Ext. Dimensions (Combined)" and "Wheelbase" columns are biased towards shorter being better, while the "Average Int. Dimensions (Combined)" column represents the combined average of interior dimensions, and the "Seating" column provides a seating rating based on rear shoulder and hip width.

Great! Now do it in chickens . . . ??

 

[scottf200]

Yes, but with that battery it only gets 145 miles which is 1.5miles/kWh which is pretty awful. My Lightning lifetime average is 2.1mi/kWh with mostly freeway and a few 100 miles of towing per month. Sedans regularly do 3~4mi/kWh. Anyway, point is that battery capacity alone doesn't tell the whole story. Just wanted to sprinkle in a little nuance, hope no one is allergic.

Thanks. The numbers I saw were 70.8 kWh usable so is calculated 2.05 (rounded 2.1).

 

[cvalue13]

Great! Now do it in chickens . . . ??

You doubt our new overlords?




Q: can you convert that chart to a measurement unit of chicken size?


GPT: I'm sorry, but it's not clear what you mean by "measurement unit of chicken size." Chickens don't have a standard unit of measurement like inches or centimeters. If you could provide more context or clarification, I'd be happy to assist you further.


Q: what would be your best guess of a chicken measurement unit?


GPT: Chickens come in various breeds and sizes, so there isn't a standard "chicken measurement unit." However, for the sake of humor and imagination, we can create a playful approximation:
Let's say the "Chicken Size Unit" (CSU) is approximately equivalent to the average length of a standard chicken, which can range from 12 inches (30 centimeters) for smaller breeds to 18 inches (45 centimeters) for larger breeds. Therefore, we could use the CSU to represent measurements in terms of chicken sizes.

Keep in mind that this is entirely fictional and not a standard measurement unit by any means. It's meant for fun and creative purposes only. If you have specific measurements you'd like to convert to this whimsical unit, please provide them, and I'll do my best to assist you in that context.

Q: [provides chart]


Certainly, here's the data with the measurements converted to "Chicken Size Units" (CSU), a playful fictional unit of measurement:

Truck	Leg Room (Front)	Leg Room (Rear)	Shoulder Room (Front)	Shoulder Room (Rear)	Hip Room (Front)	Hip Room (Rear)	Headroom (Front)	Headroom (Rear)	Average (Combined)	Seating
Lightning	3.72 CSU	3.68 CSU	5.61 CSU	5.54 CSU	5.23 CSU	5.25 CSU	3.41 CSU	3.38 CSU	4.63 CSU	5+
Ram 1500	3.46 CSU	3.81 CSU	5.61 CSU	5.60 CSU	5.39 CSU	5.39 CSU	3.46 CSU	3.38 CSU	4.61 CSU	5+
Avalanche	3.51 CSU	3.29 CSU	5.49 CSU	5.49 CSU	5.19 CSU	5.23 CSU	3.38 CSU	3.26 CSU	4.26 CSU	5
Cybertruck	3.46 CSU	3.46 CSU	5.23 CSU	5.20 CSU	4.84 CSU	4.84 CSU	3.49 CSU	3.31 CSU	4.31 CSU	<5
Tacoma	3.57 CSU	2.74 CSU	5.84 CSU	5.87 CSU	4.84 CSU	4.77 CSU	3.46 CSU	3.39 CSU	4.16 CSU	<5
R1T	3.50 CSU	3.08 CSU	5.45 CSU	5.41 CSU	5.02 CSU	4.95 CSU	3.48 CSU	3.26 CSU	4.07 CSU	<5
Maverick	3.55 CSU	3.02 CSU	5.15 CSU	5.00 CSU	4.97 CSU	4.85 CSU	3.22 CSU	3.17 CSU	4.11 CSU	<<5
Model Y (ref)	3.52 CSU	3.49 CSU	5.21 CSU	4.97 CSU	4.94 CSU	4.68 CSU	3.46 CSU	3.27 CSU	4.00 CSU

Please note that the "Chicken Size Units" (CSU) are a fictional and humorous unit of measurement and should not be taken seriously for actual comparisons.

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