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As a work truck, I would agree that it looks better than Cybertruck. As a fun vehicle, and I prefer all my vehicles to be fun, I still am going with the Cybertruck. I am betting the driving dynamics of the Cybertruck beat the silverado as well.
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As Elon said, the battle for range is silly, so it's why he lowered it from 500+ to 340 for the CT. He's right...the extra weight, the extra charge time, the extra cost, the sacrifice in cornering and acceleration performance due to the extra weight, simply doesn't make any sense when you think about it. 340 miles per charge is the sweet spot, you really don't want more than that.
I'm good with that if it had brakes > marginal for the weight and the beast better than 301 mi range...could have given a bit more of each given towing / payload capacity....I'll survive and agree with your points but maybe just a bit more
 

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I think we are not seeing this as it really its. The trip was not on flat ground and even has some off road and certainly wasn't downhill all the way at 50 mph. Then the weight is mentioned if it gets 400 mi I don't care it weights 2,000 lbs more. That was suppose to be Elon's big claim. Meanwhile he is developing these new 4680s and I am driving around town with my foundation and it is sucking up energy way faster then i thought. I expect when I head up north lucky to get 250 miles. And fam if I am going pay $16k of another battery and lose space in the bed of the truck. heads up display of course we should have that. And all of this conversation about maintaining stainless steel. Where was the practical research on that...?And did you folks see were the ac outlet deep inside the center console and oh yeah have you tried the cell phone wireless charging...got really hot. yeah people are taking pictures as I drive around and saying how cool or how ugly it looks depending on their view. Oh yeah in my 2016 X when I pull in or get near an object I get a reding of distance not seeing that on CT. Maybe I am overly critical at this point. I am near oakland so maybe the 6 shots of 9mm into the door when it happens will bring a smile to my face.
 

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I think we are not seeing this as it really its. The trip was not on flat ground and even has some off road and certainly wasn't downhill all the way at 50 mph. Then the weight is mentioned if it gets 400 mi I don't care it weights 2,000 lbs more. That was suppose to be Elon's big claim. Meanwhile he is developing these new 4680s and I am driving around town with my foundation and it is sucking up energy way faster then i thought. I expect when I head up north lucky to get 250 miles. And fam if I am going pay $16k of another battery and lose space in the bed of the truck. heads up display of course we should have that. And all of this conversation about maintaining stainless steel. Where was the practical research on that...?And did you folks see were the ac outlet deep inside the center console and oh yeah have you tried the cell phone wireless charging...got really hot. yeah people are taking pictures as I drive around and saying how cool or how ugly it looks depending on their view. Oh yeah in my 2016 X when I pull in or get near an object I get a reding of distance not seeing that on CT. Maybe I am overly critical at this point. I am near oakland so maybe the 6 shots of 9mm into the door when it happens will bring a smile to my face.
My eldest son is in the same boat, thinking the Cybertruck would be the next great EV, pretty disappointed that on most metrics it is getting smoked by the Chevy of all vehicles. Slow charging and small battery pack is the real killer, other than that it is a fun car to drive and great if you like to make new friends at supercharger. A "conversation piece that is super quick" is how he describes it.
 

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Really nice. I have been invited to configure an RST first edition but only in black (srsly?). At this point I am sticking with the Rivian, but GM did exactly what it said fit would and then a bit. Tesla's multi-year distraction on a niche vehicle like CyberTruck is already costing it dearly in atrophying models and delays on next gen vehicles. I really hope they can recover from this, but CT will go down in B-School lore as a strategic error compounded by a management team that would not let it die when it became obvious it was not going to achieve anything close to its original objectives.
 


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Really nice. I have been invited to configure an RST first edition but only in black (srsly?). At this point I am sticking with the Rivian, but GM did exactly what it said fit would and then a bit. Tesla's multi-year distraction on a niche vehicle like CyberTruck is already costing it dearly in atrophying models and delays on next gen vehicles. I really hope they can recover from this, but CT will go down in B-School lore as a strategic error compounded by a management team that would not let it die when it became obvious it was not going to achieve anything close to its original objectives.
Had so much potential. Literally if they put a larger pack in it with better charging and did not cheap out on the mirror etc could have been a slam dunk.
 

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Really nice. I have been invited to configure an RST first edition but only in black (srsly?). At this point I am sticking with the Rivian, but GM did exactly what it said fit would and then a bit. Tesla's multi-year distraction on a niche vehicle like CyberTruck is already costing it dearly in atrophying models and delays on next gen vehicles. I really hope they can recover from this, but CT will go down in B-School lore as a strategic error compounded by a management team that would not let it die when it became obvious it was not going to achieve anything close to its original objectives.
Their "strategic error" is the most amazing product Tesla has produced to date, in every regard, in my opinion. I cannot wait to get mine. But to each their own, it's why its wonderful to have options. Not to mention...we don't all want to be driving the same truck, it will be nice to have some diversity on the road.
 

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Had so much potential. Literally if they put a larger pack in it with better charging and did not cheap out on the mirror etc could have been a slam dunk.
As Elon said, the battle for range is silly, so it's why he lowered it from 500+ to 340 for the CT. He's right...the extra weight, the extra charge time, the extra cost, the sacrifice in cornering and acceleration performance due to the extra weight, simply doesn't make any sense when you think about it. 340 miles per charge is the sweet spot, you really don't want more than that.
 

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As Elon said, the battle for range is silly, so it's why he lowered it from 500+ to 340 for the CT. He's right...the extra weight, the extra charge time, the extra cost, the sacrifice in cornering and acceleration performance due to the extra weight, simply doesn't make any sense when you think about it. 340 miles per charge is the sweet spot, you really don't want more than that.
You must not tow, it's a truck. 340 isn't bad if truly could get at 70 mph. However 250 (100%) and 110 don't cut it for truck duty. On road we are only charging to 80% due to curve.
 

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You must not tow, it's a truck. 340 isn't bad if truly could get at 70 mph. However 250 (100%) and 110 don't cut it for truck duty. On road we are only charging to 80% due to curve.
agree, worst case, towing with an EV cuts the range potentially down 60%, leaving 40%
we need the range ext pack ASAP
think Tesla is delaying the pack for the gen 3a 4680s which should be ready this fall, +10% range
 


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As Elon said, the battle for range is silly, so it's why he lowered it from 500+ to 340 for the CT. He's right...the extra weight, the extra charge time, the extra cost, the sacrifice in cornering and acceleration performance due to the extra weight, simply doesn't make any sense when you think about it. 340 miles per charge is the sweet spot, you really don't want more than that.
Unless you want to use a truck to tow or haul something, or use it in a truck related industry. But yes 340, really 250 miles in reality. Is fine for going to the grocery store and the fact it charges slowly is fine if you are charging at home and driving 30 miles a day.
 

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As Elon said, the battle for range is silly, so it's why he lowered it from 500+ to 340 for the CT. He's right...the extra weight, the extra charge time, the extra cost, the sacrifice in cornering and acceleration performance due to the extra weight, simply doesn't make any sense when you think about it. 340 miles per charge is the sweet spot, you really don't want more than that.
The one thing that really impresses me with the Silverado is the charging curve. Since the truck takes 350kW up to 50%, you basically never need to stop at a charger for more than 15 minutes. Driving at 50% down to 10% will give a driver 176 miles of range. The battery charges at 3%+ per minute below 50%, so it would take a 13 minute stop every 2.5 hours of driving. Assuming you leave the house at full charge on a 600 mile road trip, that means total charge time of 13 minutes required. The same trip in a CT would require nearly an hour of charging. Every extra 200 miles you add to the trip adds double the charging time for the same range in a CT versus Silverado, based on the charging curve. To say this means nothing is an odd take.

I agree that most people overestimate how many long drives they go on a year, but these are the people not buying EVs and causing Tesla a demand issue. The 50%+ of people who say they won't ever buy an EV are the ones Chevy might be able to convert, where Tesla hasn't.
 
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think Tesla is delaying the pack for the gen 3a 4680s which should be ready this fall, +10% range
How would they mesh with the existing pack at a v3 (or future v4) --- charging rate-wise and how would the coolant aspect work. Seems like a hodgepodge.
 
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I think they will run into the same problem Ford is running into with the Lighting. They basically took a truck and removed the engine and put a battery on the bottom. The EV draw is not strong enough to get a Chevy owner to leave their gas powered truck...or not strong enough to ask for 2x the price. If you are going to ask for 2x over the gas powered truck, you need to take it to the next level.
This is a second-gen EV, not a first-gen EV. While the styling implies that they just removed the engine, the frame design - unibody on Silverado - confirms it's not a first-gen EV.

It's still not a third-gen EV like the Cybertruck, but as a truck, that may not matter.

400+ mile range is a significant part of the actual driving day. ie. start at 100% charging overnight (ie. set departure time feature ... like was in my first 2011 Chevy Volt from day 1 so certainly in this RST).

Also depends the use case and perhaps you can just charge over lunch at 250+ kW (350 kW max)? We have seen a few charging examples now (Kyle and now Dan's)

Or 10 minutes at a couple bathroom and snack breaks.

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Here two real world examples of a roadtrips I took where my Stay-to-Stay (day-to-day) distance is show. Many people roadtrip < 400 miles per day. Or take lunch, or 10 minute breaks

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Of course, since the Silverado uses significantly more watts per mile, those charging times are going to suck horribly when compared on miles-per-hour-charging basis.

And while I can get a Cybertruck right now for $100k, I can't get a Silverado for any number.

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...Not to mention reliably finding 350kW chargers right now...
 
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And while I can get a Cybertruck right now for $100k, I can't get a Silverado for any number.
That is cherry-picking silly (to soften it). The CT just start shipping ~6 months ago after being years late. And based on the threads on this forum has a variety of problems. Limited appeal to most traditional truck buyers. It was a swing and a miss in that regard.

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