More 500-mile range rumors!

[Jhodgesatmb]

That's a bunch of bullshit. Charging to 100% isn't going to ruin your battery unless you let it sit at a high state of charge for long periods of time. The range is there to be used if you need to go that far, most people don't. My wife drives more than I do, she has 91,000 miles on her 2018 Tesla and it still has 300 miles of range. It was delivered with 310 miles of EPA range. Our other 2018 RWD Model 3 has 72,000 miles and still has 305 miles range with a charge to 100%.

Driving more than 300 miles on the highway is not a problem when you can add 100 miles of range in only 8 minutes. Our average Supercharger stop is somewhere between 15 and 20 minutes. But my main point was that most people don't drive for hours and hours on a regular basis. My wife drives quite a bit more than the average American motorist whose annual average is around 12K miles. Most of her driving is not very close to a Supercharger, we just charge it up each night at home. It's a rare person averaging 300 miles per day, that would be over 100,000 miles per year, if done consistently, each day.

It definitely sounds like you are too timid in terms of using all the capacity your battery has to offer (when you need to drive more miles than usual). Don't be afraid of using your car how it was meant to be used!

You are wrong of course, and that explains your word usage. Back to 6th grade insults. You are right that I am too ‘timid’ to use the battery’s full capacity in Fahrenheit 14 and 20 mph winds when my wife and dog are involved. It is comforting to hear that you have no such restraint.

All this said, your experiences match some and mine match others. The vast majority of people I meet fall outside either your experience or mine in that they do not own a BEV, and every one of them has range anxiety.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

No, you didn't. You posted a link to the most recent financial call, where they talked about improving the density of 4680 cells to acceptable levels. Careful using the word nonsense, when you have no idea what you're talking about, and not even what event you're linking.

Then just tell everyone to rewatch Battery Day like I did before making that post. Elon and Drew were very clear that the 4680 would have improved energy density. It doesn’t matter whether I am an expert; I only have to believe that what the CEO and his head of energy say is true. Why don’t you?

 

[GhostAndSkater]

Imply is one thing. Show me a statement that says 4680 cells will have greater energy density. I'll wait...

Here, the three highlighted ones means directly energy density improvement at a cell level, so 40% energy density improvement on the 6 years after battery day, but we all know how Tesla works, turns the impossible into late, so they will get there, likely taking more than 6 years

This means going from ~260 Wh/kg at the time to ~360 Wh/kg, 4680 V2 is likely at 267 Wh/kg, and most high volume cell at the market at high volume and competitive cost is at 280 Wh/kg

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Here, the three highlighted ones means directly energy density improvement at a cell level, so 40% energy density improvement on the 6 years after battery day, but we all know how Tesla works, turns the impossible into late, so they will get there, likely taking more than 6 years

This means going from ~260 Wh/kg at the time to ~360 Wh/kg, 4680 V2 is likely at 267 Wh/kg, and most high volume cell at the market at high volume and competitive cost is at 280 Wh/kg

lol, no. Wh/kg is not a measurement of density.

 

[HaulingAss]

You are wrong of course, and that explains your word usage. Back to 6th grade insults. You are right that I am too ‘timid’ to use the battery’s full capacity in Fahrenheit 14 and 20 mph winds when my wife and dog are involved. It is comforting to hear that you have no such restraint.

All this said, your experiences match some and mine match others. The vast majority of people I meet fall outside either your experience or mine in that they do not own a BEV, and every one of them has range anxiety.

There are no insults in that message, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Calling your narritive "bullshit" is not an insult, it's simply saying it's false. It's utterly ridiculous to think you should only use 60% of your available battery energy if you want long battery life. I'm calling BS.

I do recommend not going below zero miles remaining, except in an emergency, but even that's not going to ruin your battery, done occassionally. Using from 100% to whatever margin you need to insure you don't run out too soon is not going to ruin your battery either. It looks to me like you have succumbed to the people who want you to think the battery in your Tesla is weak and fragile under normal use.

In fact, by using only 60% of your battery, you have already willfully degraded your batteries functionality to below that which would be covered under the battery warranty if it were an actual limitation rather than self-imposed (70% of the original range is when the battery warranty kicks in).

Don't get me wrong, I only use about 20-40% of my battery on a daily basis and I only charge to 70-80% as a matter of course. But I never hesitate to take it to 100% when I need it. Just don't let it sit there fully charged or nearly fully depleted for extended periods. That doesn't mean don't use the top and bottom of the battery. You have been fooled by the negative Nellies.

 

[Alan]

You can download the entire presentation from the the Tesla website under investor relations. It talks about the the steps needed to get a battery with a higher energy density for the cybertruck and the semi

 

[cvalue13]

Incorrect. Twitter (now X) is registered with the SEC as an official source of company communication through Musk's Twitter account. This includes material financial information, new product releases, and other material information.

Companies can use social media outlets like Xwitter to announce key information in compliance with Reg FD only so long as investors have been alerted sufficiently about which social media will be used to disseminate such information, making it a “recognized channel of distribution.”

Such alerting requires sufficient and explicit notice: where has Tesla designated Musk’s twotter account as a Reg FD recognized channel of distribution?


Regardless, do you think anyone is actually buying this line of thinking that Musk’s musings about CT features on Twitter are an “announcement” of the sort being asked after in this thread?

Here then is another hard-hitting “official announcement” by Tesla regarding the CyberTruck

 

[Crissa]

Most Lightning owners are at 2.0 miles/kWh or below...

I don't believe this statistic. Mostly because it seems to only come from FUDsters. I'm surprised you accept it as well.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

lol, no. Wh/kg is not a measurement of density.

Congratulations, you’ve won the Pedantic Olympics.

Please pick up your gold medal at the “Pyrrhic Victory” Pavilion, next to the “Salt and Ashes” snack bar

 

[Crissa]

I re-re-disagree. The use of silicon certainly implies it.

The use of silicon happened already in the 2170, as it didn't have other manufacturing challenges to overcome first. Hence, the silicon wasn't part of their calculations for the 4680.

The Cyber cell has more density than the original 4680 - because they could dial in the chemistry changes once they figured out manufacture of the 4680.

You are right that I am too ‘timid’ to use the battery’s full capacity in Fahrenheit 14 and 20 mph winds when my wife and dog are involved. It is comforting to hear that you have no such restraint.

Tesla's navigation software knows about weather and headwinds.

You can download the entire presentation from the the Tesla website under investor relations. It talks about the the steps needed to get a battery with a higher energy density for the cybertruck and the semi

"Diversified cathode approach" not "4680 form factor".

The diversified cathode was applied to the 2170, which is why the Model 3 and Y now come with LFP versions. It hasn't happened to the 4680 yet.

-Crissa

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Congratulations, you’ve won the Pedantic Olympics.

Please pick up your gold medal at the “Pyrrhic Victory” Pavilion, next to the “Salt and Ashes” snack bar

I re- re- re-disagree with this.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

I re- re- re-disagree with this.

Would that be disagree to the 3rd power?

 

[CyberGus]

I re- re- re-disagree with this.

ok shroomer

 

[jerhenderson]

Maybe you are right about it coming out later but Tesla will not sell a lot of Cybertrucks that only get 300 miles on a full charge with no payload or towing and only at 65 mph in 65 degree temperatures and only on 60% available charge (20%-80% nominal). That doesn't move the needle in terms of BEV truck adoption.

most soccer parent truck owners would be fine with these specs.

 

[RVAC]

Congratulations, you’ve won the Pedantic Olympics.

Please pick up your gold medal at the “Pyrrhic Victory” Pavilion, next to the “Salt and Ashes” snack bar

Wh/kg is the measure of (gravimetric) energy density in batteries, not sure what he's going on about.

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