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331/350 miles won't do if you tow. I hope there's a 500 mile option so people who buy a truck to do truck things can.
admitting bias as a Lightning owner, but:

there are a *lot* of people who tow a lot that will do better than fine with 350mi of range

eg every lawn crew in town is doing “truck things”

people regularly towing an RV three states away should think twice about buying a 350mi BEV truck (though, 9/10 they might shouldn’t be buying a ~1/2 ton truck in the first place)

in any event, is towing really the beginning and end of “truck things”?
 

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A good analysis and some solid predictions. Will be fun to see what transpires in a few (excruciatingly long) months.
I am inclined to believe them when they tear a Cybertruck down rather than when they are guessing.
 

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I didn't hear anything new there, just more guessing and speculation.

Probably the biggest thing I learned was how much Sandy wants to meet Maye Musk, Elon's mom!
Which is sad, don’t you think? So he wants to rub noses with celebrities even if they aren’t engineers? That is fine, but I don’t need to hear about it any more than I need to hear that someone collects autographs, likes tattoos, or anything else that isn’t directly related to why I spend my time watching them. It drops him several notches in my book.
 


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A good analysis and some solid predictions. Will be fun to see what transpires in a few (excruciatingly long) months.
I agree with the excruciatingly long months part. Sadly what makes it particularly excruciating are reasonable analyses and predictions when what I want right now is direct observations. The time for the former was last year.
 

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It is his opinion, but I don't know how Sandy can say the CT is extremely 'strong?', and yet he considers it more suitable for the leisure industry over the construction industry.
I guess the CT needs to prove itself. There was a time when EV's were considered just golf carts.

And Corey reckons most of the people he has spoken to were EV owners, and not truck owners. Mind you, he is talking to people at Tesla EV events, who are more white collar than blue.
Its like visiting a prison, and deducing most people have a criminal background.

Not wishing to criticize here, but part of their summarization seemed strange to me.
 

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the inference is the same.
 

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I am inclined to believe them when they tear a Cybertruck down rather than when they are guessing.
Exactly.

They still can't explain how there would be a 'true' exoskeleton.

And I don't think the internal half of the shell could be drivable, and definitely not with load.

-Crissa
 


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It is his opinion, but I don't know how Sandy can say the CT is extremely 'strong?', and yet he considers it more suitable for the leisure industry over the construction industry.
I guess the CT needs to prove itself. There was a time when EV's were considered just golf carts.

And Corey reckons most of the people he has spoken to were EV owners, and not truck owners. Mind you, he is talking to people at Tesla EV events, who are more white collar than blue.
Its like visiting a prison, and deducing most people have a criminal background.

Not wishing to criticize here, but part of their summarization seemed strange to me.
Critisism is how one arrives at a more truthful conclusion. And induction is logically flawed for the reason you mention above. Just a bit of philosophy thrown in while we're at it, I'm a Critical Rationalist so I can't help but chime in my 2 cents!

Now back to the CT! Tesla always makes the best all-rounder vehicle in any class. Think of the athlete that can do pretty much everything at a better than normal level. I remember watching on netflix a show called "Physical 100" or something like that. The person that won wasn't the most strongest, fittest, stretchiest, highest-endurance person. They were the best all-rounder.

If Tesla do excel at one thing, that's efficiency (through hardware and software). So I think they'll be the most competitive on price and value for money because it allows them to find the sweet spot with everything else, ensuring we get the best all-round package.
 

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in any event, is towing really the beginning and end of “truck things”?
It is the one thing that the BEV critics feel safe to cling to as a truck thing that they don't think a BEV will ever do as well as ICE.
 

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It is the one thing that the BEV critics feel safe to cling to as a truck thing that they don't think a BEV will ever do as well as ICE.
ironic

BEVs *tow* far better than ICE

it’s just that their batteries/gas tanks are presently small

soon their batteries/tanks will be equivalent, and there’ll be no contest
 

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Executive overview:
Sandy and Corey make guesses about range. 331-350 is their guess. They figure weight will be between 6k and 8k to hit the right categories for rebates/classification. They say it will be very stout and strong based on the stamped steel and castings alone.
 

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331/350 miles won't do if you tow. I hope there's a 500 mile option so people who buy a truck to do truck things can.
We only use our 1/2 ton truck to do truck things. In over 13 years we have towed a lot, but only one tow trip exceeded 165 miles. Most "truck things" involved zero towing or local towing.

Towing with a half-ton truck, long distances, is uneconomical because semi-trucks can move so much more at lower cost. The use cases for long-distance towing with a 1/2-ton truck are almost non-existent.

So, can we stop the silly narrative that a 1/2-ton truck must be able to tow long-distances to be viable? Almost no one does that. Any truck person can tell you they wouldn't buy a 1/2-ton truck to tow long-distances.

I always recommend people don't talk about things they know nothing about.
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