Rumor: $98900 price for tri-motor Cybertruck??

[Deleted member 20282]

ill turn off pro power and check it out a while

I got one of the first in Texas (first week of a July ‘22), and no problems** but also not >320 ever showing.

But I drive hard, use HVAC hard, and live in a furnace.


**Mine was one of the early units with a module replacement - but that process was for me impressive and easy

Yeah, and I live away from an urban area in the sticks, 2 miles to the highway and basically set auto pilot at ~75 and forget about it. My truck is like 95% highway miles. Windows down, music cranked, enjoying the sun.

Best guess on pro-power impact based on BMS draw data is 3% parasitic loss from it keeping the inverter charged all the time.

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[Gurule92]

So basically reinvent the entire backbone of transportation, with ramifications that changes the cost of goods solds in our supply chain world wide? That makes no sense either. Why is everyone so obsessed with changing things that aren’t broken? We saw the impact of supply chain mishaps during Covid. Long haul truckers run for the money, because you can make a shitload of money if you put the time in. What good does reducing emissions do if we don’t have a country or way of life worth living at the end? Especially since long haul truckers are putting emissions in areas with no emissions issues like the entire middle of the country. Right now, we’re so heavily depending on burning fuel for our power grid, the emissions argument is a poor one in quite a few parts of the country. And again, we’re now shoving solar panels down peoples throats who don’t want them. All the city dwellers who create the pollution issues, don’t have room for panels so the farmers get fucked with having to look at those things.

We need to let these technologies evolve on their own pace, don’t force them. Set a reasonable MVP and when you hit MVP, you hit MVP. Don’t force people to release things pre-maturely.

It's this way because it's always been this way is an antiquated line of thinking

 

[Deleted member 20282]

It's this way because it's always been this way is an antiquated line of thinking

No, it’s a pragmatic way of thinking. We’ve changed things for the sake of changing things without thought for the ramifications and it has burned us repeatedly over the last few years. There is more to a decision than changing just for the sake of changing. Too many decisions are made for political reasons and fuck the consequences. It’s a complicated equation that quite frankly, I don’t think anyone has the answers on, so we need to tread a little more carefully.

Raising the COGS because we need to completely change the transportation business model during record inflation doesn’t seem like a smart move. Amazon Freight and FedEx rely on independent owner operators to get stuff around. The Freight load board is a god send. What if we double the cost of transportation as a result because suddenly people can’t work 14 hour days driving? What if we drop everyone’s pay by 10-20% during this period? What if we end up with a trucking shortage because of lack of drivers? People drive because it’s a good way to make a lot of money. Take away the money, why drive? What happens if we alienate the transportation industry? Kill more jobs than we save? Do more harm than good?

Recall that the EV Semi is 80k GCWR, but the payload is lower than a normal truck. ICE trucks can go higher than 80k. My old neighbors trucking outfit licenses all its loads for 105k and can oversize permit to 250k. They have tandem 46k axles with dual lockers. You could put the entire tesla semi and its load on his flatbed and tow it 1,100 miles without stopping for gas. When you’re paid per mile, that’s a huge deal. That’s almost $500/day less per day in someone’s pockets taking 90 minutes out of their shift for charge time. Or having to take 2 semis instead of one because of the 80k limit. I would be really curious to see the carbon comparison on a ICE truck hauling doubles or triples (3 trailers) with 200k compared to the EV towing a 60k trailer? Can take 3 trailers for every 1.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

 

[Gurule92]

No, it’s a pragmatic way of thinking. We’ve changed things for the sake of changing things without thought for the ramifications and it has burned us repeatedly over the last few years. There is more to a decision than changing just for the sake of changing. Too many decisions are made for political reasons and fuck the consequences. It’s a complicated equation that quite frankly, I don’t think anyone has the answers on, so we need to tread a little more carefully.

Raising the COGS because we need to completely change the transportation business model during record inflation doesn’t seem like a smart move. Amazon Freight and FedEx rely on independent owner operators to get stuff around. The Freight load board is a god send. What if we double the cost of transportation as a result because suddenly people can’t work 14 hour days driving? What if we drop everyone’s pay by 10-20% during this period? What if we end up with a trucking shortage because of lack of drivers? People drive because it’s a good way to make a lot of money. Take away the money, why drive? What happens if we alienate the transportation industry? Kill more jobs than we save? Do more harm than good?

Recall that the EV Semi is 80k GCWR, but the payload is lower than a normal truck. ICE trucks can go higher than 80k. My old neighbors trucking outfit licenses all its loads for 105k and can oversize permit to 250k. They have tandem 46k axles with dual lockers. You could put the entire tesla semi and its load on his flatbed and tow it 1,100 miles without stopping for gas. When you’re paid per mile, that’s a huge deal. That’s almost $500/day less per day in someone’s pockets taking 90 minutes out of their shift for charge time. Or having to take 2 semis instead of one because of the 80k limit. I would be really curious to see the carbon comparison on a ICE truck hauling doubles or triples (3 trailers) with 200k compared to the EV towing a 60k trailer? Can take 3 trailers for every 1.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

If it can't work with the new technology it is broken.

Change doesn't need to be overnight. Just like the EV transition isnt

 

[scottf200]

Recall that the EV Semi is 80k GCWR, but the payload is lower than a normal truck. ICE trucks can go higher than 80k. My old neighbors trucking outfit licenses all its loads for 105k and can oversize permit to 250k. They have tandem 46k axles with dual lockers. You could put the entire tesla semi and its load on his flatbed and tow it 1,100 miles without stopping for gas. When you’re paid per mile, that’s a huge deal. That’s almost $500/day less per day in someone’s pockets taking 90 minutes out of their shift for charge time. Or having to take 2 semis instead of one because of the 80k limit. I would be really curious to see the carbon comparison on a ICE truck hauling doubles or triples (3 trailers) with 200k compared to the EV towing a 60k trailer? Can take 3 trailers for every 1.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Short-haul trucking involves transporting shipments within a 150-mile radius is where EV semi-trucks shine. There are many millions across the world and country. Even smaller towns and rural areas have a need for them. "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." that is not very open-minded or pragmatic and there are so many opportunities for all these things that are being talked about. Horses for courses.

Interesting trucking stats: https://www.truckinfo.net/research/trucking-statistics

 

[Deleted member 20282]

Short-haul trucking involves transporting shipments within a 150-mile radius is where EV semi-trucks shine. There are many millions across the world and country. Even smaller towns and rural areas have a need for them. "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." that is not very open-minded or pragmatic and there are so many opportunities for all these things that are being talked about. Horses for courses.

Interesting trucking stats: https://www.truckinfo.net/research/trucking-statistics

Yeah, Semi is going to be great for low volume local loads and nothing oversized.

Interesting stats. If I missed it, I wonder who drives the miles. I suspect the 16% owner operators drive the bulk of the miles. Especially since most of the large trucking outfits are using independents to augment and take bigger loads. 700 miles a day is the norm for long haul drivers working full shifts. 4-6 days a week. I see trucks for sales on Facebook with 900k miles as a 2018. Those sleeper cabs have bathrooms, bedrooms, kitchen, etc. Owner operators make a lot more money than the drivers. FedEx rate for drivers is 65 cents a mile regular, 1/mile for oversize or doubles. Owner operators get 80% of the load. I suspect long haul owner operators are the most at risk of having issues here.

Then you get crazy guys like this doing hotshot at 100k+ miles a year.

https://tfltruck.com/2023/07/ford-f-350-275k-mile-update-video/

 

[Deleted member 20282]

Almost a million miles on a 2015. Damn, someone loves to drive.

 

[anionic1]

I made the argument many moons ago. The tri motor is likely going to be more than 150% the weight of any of Teslas other vehicles. Their vehicles land between $10 to $15 per pound. I know this isn’t a common metric to determine cost but there is truth to it. And obviously there is a large economy of scale but just the shear fact that they have to buy and manufacture that much more material is going to cost a lot. And that stuff on the CT is pricey. It’s the stainless, batteries, glass. I can’t pretend to know what their material and manufacturing cost are per pound, but if we are comparing to their other cars it’s very important to see that the CT is 150% to 200% more material that needs to be manufactured than their other cars.

 

[CyberGus]

I made the argument many moons ago. The tri motor is likely going to be more than 150% the weight of any of Teslas other vehicles. .

so you also believe the cyber truck will have 50% less cargo capacity than claimed? Because if it weighs 8000 pounds as you suggest, that gives it very little cargo capacity and stay within the allotted weight class.

 

[anionic1]

so you also believe the cyber truck will have 50% less cargo capacity than claimed? Because if it weighs 8000 pounds as you suggest, that gives it very little cargo capacity and stay within the allotted weight class.

You’re right. That’s why friends don’t let friend post stupid stuff. It’s probably 20% heavier.

 

[Crissa]

Tesla has designs on making a large portion of semi trucks.

If they can make the truck they think they can, they'll change it forever.

Even so, trucks are still less efficient than rail.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Also, the EV push is already doing this and it negatively affects the people who actually do the most driving.

Citation not included.

This is a fantasy, not reality. People love to complain, but that doesn't mean they have the causes correctly attributed.

-Crissa

 

[PhilEsq]

Tesla Cybertruck Pricing LEAKED
Video by Ryan Shaw

 

[Cebliminal]

Is this real?

98k is a no go. It would be one way to cut orders in half.

 

[BenH]

98k is a no go. It would be one way to cut orders in half.

Just saw RUMOR. TriMotor will start $79,900(based on VIN 7G2CHEEARAxxxx on the invoice, no mileage info). Options like vault ramp and mid gate will be available. NOTE: VIN on the invoice starts with 7G2, not 72G.

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