⚡️ PowerShare Install, Specs, Details confirmed! No load shifting (for now)

[Cybergirl]

How does a 9.6kWH battery power critical loads for 24 hours?

For me, critical loads are:
1) Refrigerator and freezer
2) Lights in every room (selectively turned on)
3) Internet (modem, router)
4) Room outlets (selectively used)
5) Gas furnace

In summer my solar panels will typically produce 20 to 30 kWh each day. If the grid is down and the sun is shining, there's plenty of solar power during the day to supply my needs. Excess solar is exported to the grid and taken back a night to charge my Tesla and run the A/C. My monthly electric bill is $0.00 in spring, summer and fall.

In a blackout, the problem is having power overnight. The house battery is sized to handle overnight power consumption for those critical load circuits. Overnight power consumption from the protected loads panel typically drops to ~500W or less. A fully charged 9.6 kWh battery will easily last 12+ hours until solar output resumes, and the battery is recharged. Here's the system:

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[GateFather]

For me, critical loads are:
1) Refrigerator and freezer
2) Lights in every room (selectively turned on)
3) Internet (modem, router)
4) Room outlets (selectively used)
5) Gas furnace

In summer my solar panels will typically produce 20 to 30 kWh each day. If the grid is down and the sun is shining, there's plenty of solar power during the day to supply my needs. Excess solar is exported to the grid and taken back a night to charge my Tesla and run the A/C. My monthly electric bill is $0.00 in spring, summer and fall.

In a blackout, the problem is having power overnight. The house battery is sized to handle overnight power consumption for those critical load circuits. Overnight power consumption from the protected loads panel typically drops to ~500W or less. A fully charged 9.6 kWh battery will easily last 12+ hours until solar output resumes, and the battery is recharged. Here's the system:

Got it makes sense! Thanks for sharing.

 

[donnyb]

Because tesla won't ship you or him the parts. Only their certified installers.

You seem to get powershare included only if all of the following conditions are true:

-You buy an FS cybertruck
-You complete the powershare survey
-You are approved for powershare
-You are ready to install it at the time their installer is ready
-You pay their installer whatever they are charging (AWD has no installation credit)

If you don't meet all of those conditions, I don't even think they will send you the wall charger. They will just give you 6 or 12 months of supercharging (awd or beast), which is not close to the same value.

I'm currently on step 3, and I'm hoping I can schmooze my way through this to either get the equipment, or get the installer to agree to shelve the project until I'm ready to install it after I move. I doubt that it will be possible, and I'm further guessing that since I passed the survey but do not want it installed at my current location, I won't even get the free supercharging. That last part is speculation though, only time will tell.

Sounds like a lawsuit is coming Tesla's way. The Powershare equipment was included in the purchase of the Cybertruck and now if you don't use their installer they give you 6 months or 1 year of supercharging which is not equivalent to the value of the equipment. I told Tesla in the survey that I was moving in a couple of years and would not be installing the equipment at my current residence and I still got approved. I had a Model 3 for over five years and barely used supercharging since I had a wall charger installed.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

From the grid, In my case, I use on average 70kwH a day (averaged 1/1/23-12/31/23) which is a lot, but the house is a bit larger and I have a TON of electronics + 2 EVs. I guess this would give me about a day, but not really in practice since the truck couldn't power everything all at once. I would have to shutoff significant amount of breakers to ensure i stay under the 11kWh it can actually supply. This would likely mean I would get 2-3 days out of it. Think that clears that up - thanks.



Totally makes sense in your case. I live in the woods and while we don't have power outages often, we've had 3-4 in the 3 years I've lived here (one on Christmas morning once). How does a 9.6kWH battery power critical loads for 24 hours? We're talking about CT only being able to power in some cases whole house for 10-24 hours with 123kWh?




In my case, I use on average 70kwH a day (averaged 1/1/23-12/31/23) which is a lot, but the house is a bit larger and I have a TON of electronics + 2 EVs.

Wow! that's a ton of draw!!

 

[agordon117]

Sounds like a lawsuit is coming Tesla's way. The Powershare equipment was included in the purchase of the Cybertruck and now if you don't use their installer they give you 6 months or 1 year of supercharging which is not equivalent to the value of the equipment. I told Tesla in the survey that I was moving in a couple of years and would not be installing the equipment at my current residence and I still got approved. I had a Model 3 for over five years and barely used supercharging since I had a wall charger installed.

The issue with that is, tesla being tesla, the only record that anyone has of that being included is a screenshot of the model trim page. Good luck using that as evidence in court. You'll notice if you check your order agreement, there is zero specificity given to what's included. It just says "premium accessories". They go very far out of their way to not put things in writing that they don't have to so that it can't be used against them later.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

The issue with that is, tesla being tesla, the only record that anyone has of that being included is a screenshot of the model trim page. Good luck using that as evidence in court. You'll notice if you check your order agreement, there is zero specificity given to what's included. It just says "premium accessories". They go very far out of their way to not put things in writing that they don't have to so that it can't be used against them later.

And that's where this world has come to across the board from business to politics.... no back bone. no integrity, No Honesty. There's no reason to not just be honest except if you doubt yourself. Just sad. Should be an option not a Go F..K Yourself. Guess that's what comes with being a Billionaire.

 

[donnyb]

The issue with that is, tesla being tesla, the only record that anyone has of that being included is a screenshot of the model trim page. Good luck using that as evidence in court. You'll notice if you check your order agreement, there is zero specificity given to what's included. It just says "premium accessories". They go very far out of their way to not put things in writing that they don't have to so that it can't be used against them later.

Well in a class action suit with numerous people, providing evidence of a screenshot showing that it was included, would be sufficient evidence. We'll see how it plays out when more people get their cybertruck.

 

[Sleipnir]

Same here. Generac with auto transfer switch.

Same here. Tesla solar / Powerwall not available here. If you sort out the install with the PWRcell let me know.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

The issue with that is, tesla being tesla, the only record that anyone has of that being included is a screenshot of the model trim page. Good luck using that as evidence in court. You'll notice if you check your order agreement, there is zero specificity given to what's included. It just says "premium accessories". They go very far out of their way to not put things in writing that they don't have to so that it can't be used against them later.

but tesla being tesla they don't always cover all bases.....It shows when you click on the Premium Accessories it shows you what they are. So not so secret at all. #lawonyourside. lol

 

[SeasonedTech]

Thanks for the write-up! Glad it's starting. Question: are you getting the PowerShare gateway installed because your solar/battery system is not Tesla or not of the newer version Tesla gateway OR its needed for all installs regardless? Was wondering if the PowerShare Wall Connector can just hook up to my load center panel that is controlled by the Tesla Gateway I have now? Fun stuff!

 

[CYBEAST]

I haven't been told if I qualify or not, but regardless I don't want the Power Share system.

1) ComED in Illinois is extremely reliable. In 12 years I can only remember one blackout that lasted more than a couple of hours.

2) I have a 6.8 kW solar system and 9.6 kWh battery bank to a Sunny Island inverter feeding a protected loads panel the reacts instantly to a grid power glitch. The battery will power lights and critical loads for 24 hours. In summer, solar will replenish the battery extending the backup period for days.

3) My Cybertruck will not always be available as a power reserve when I need it most. I spend the winter months in Arizona.

4) Spending an additional $4k - $5K for installing Power Share increases my CT cost to $107K - $108K. The AWD CT FS price is already a stretch.

Six months of Supercharging is better than nothing, but why not give $2400 in Supercharger credits good for use on my CT for life?

There is more profit in giving less ?

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

Thanks for the write-up! Glad it's starting. Question: are you getting the PowerShare gateway installed because your solar/battery system is not Tesla or not of the newer version Tesla gateway OR its needed for all installs regardless? Was wondering if the PowerShare Wall Connector can just hook up to my load center panel that is controlled by the Tesla Gateway I have now? Fun stuff!

you'll need the new V3 and new Wall Charger as it's a different power capacity. Will also need a 200amp subpanel for the V3 system and don't forget the larger cable needed from main panel to 200 amp subpanel. All from my Tesla Contractor doing the work now. Monday I will have final approval signed off by City I will.

 

[Outdoors]

I just got the email as being eligible, after filling out the first email. Told a installer will reach out to me. Hmm. Off grid. Said in order notes off grid. It is quite extensive, and is done correct. The run from my battery bank/charger area could be measured in inches not feet.

Well, maybe I can delay till house is done, but if they are cool maybe it works.

 

[Digidee]

I finally got my PowerShare install scheduled and wanted to give details here since it’s been a big unknown.

AWD: PowerShare gateway and wall charger included. Installation is out of pocket.

Cyberbeast: PowerShare gateway, wall charger, installation included.

Hardware is shipped to the installer after the price quote is accepted and install date scheduled.

Permitting with utility company required (part of installation cost in my case).

Cybertruck can provide 48 amps and about 11kw of continuous power during an outage which is about 10 hours with full battery. Realistically will pull half that or less during the day and much less at night which pushes it to 1 full day. If you have solar (as I do), it works in tandem so can extend to several days of backup.

Currently does NOT provide load shifting. Load shifting is a feature of the powerwall to try and avoid high rate time of day from the grid and instead use battery during that time. At this time, due to regulations and agreements with utility companies, this can only be used when your home is disconnected from the grid (outage, or perhaps if you go manually disconnect).

The hope is once a bunch of these are installed and the regulations update, they could enable load shifting with a simple software update.

Prices to install will vary a ton based on the work needed and I’m not going to speculate on that, but assume in the thousands.

For the timeline:
I received approval for Powershare today (02/02/2024)

Ordered AWD CT on 12/28/2023
Filled out the Powershare survey on 01/04/2024
Powershare approval on 02/02/2024
No VIN yet...

 

[fritter63]

WARNING PSA for PG&E customers. Any changes to your electrical setup (solar, batteries, etc) that requires a permit may cause PG&E to re-classify you on the latest NEM 3.0 schedule, which is not as beneficial to solar customers for "turning the meter backwards" during peak hours.

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