Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck

[HaulingAss]

The big tell though is the Hummer EV. GM has barely built any in the last 2 year (less than 20,000). So to think GM is going to ramp the Silverado EV any better is laughable (basically the same truck). Especially since the profit was much higher on the Hummer (due to higher overall prices).

There was no profit on the Hummer EV. It lost tons of money for GM, they literally don't know what they are doing when it comes to EVs.

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[Crissa]

The mid-gate is mostly a gimmick because it's already been proven by previous ICE versions, with a midgate, that most owners never use them. Why put it on there unless they are addressing a niche market that might actually use it?

But that was in a truck where having the mid-gate open meant rain didn't just blow into the cabin, it dripped from the roof. It'd be like having a porch where the rain flowed from the eave into the door. And there wasn't a tonneau by default, either.

I carry stuff longer than 8' all the time, and just stick it through my car.

-Crissa

 

[firsttruck]

It's complete BS that the Silverado is "far more truck than the Cybertruck". A truck is for hauling stuff around. And the Silverado has a payload capacity of only 1,400 lbs vs. nearly double for the Cybertruck (2,500 lbs.). Silverado also has less towing capacity. Heck, 5 big 300 lb. men in the cab could put the Silverado 100 lbs. over its weight limit, and that's before you put a single thing in the bed or in the frunk. You're gonna have to leave the cooler at home, LOL!

Saying the Silverado is more "truck" than the Cybertruck just shows you don't know what a truck is. Trucks are made to haul loads. And 1400 lb. load limit is pitiful.

Yup, Silverado EV payload is pitiful. Definitely not work truck.

ICE Silverado 1500 WT RST: 2,130 lbs payload

EV Silverado WT RST: 1,400 lbs max payload

Cybertruck Foundation AWD: 2,500 lbs payload *** higher than ICE Silverado!!


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2024 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4dr Crew Cab 4WD 6.6 ft. SB Engine/Motor 5.3L 8cyl
Starting MSRP $55,000
Max Payload Capacity 2,130 lbs.
Bed length (with 5 passengers) 79.4 in.
https://www.greenbrierchevrolet.com/research-silverado-1500-engines.html

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2024 Chevrolet Silverado EV RST 4dr Crew Cab 4WD SB Engine/Motor Electric
Starting MSRP $94,500
Max Payload Capacity 1,400 lbs.
Bed length (with 5 passengers) 71.0 in.
https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/silverado-ev/2024/st-402030815/features-specs/

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2024 Tesla Cybertruck Foundation AWD 4dr Crew Cab 4WD SB Engine/Motor Electric
Starting MSRP $99,990
Max Payload Capacity 2,400 lbs.
Bed length (with 5 passengers) 72 in.


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[firsttruck]

The loss of money on every Silverado GM sells is not a moral problem, it's an indication that it's just a party trick, a test platform made in tiny numbers. They'll crank up the production line and then cut the cord. People will be left hanging without a truck. A low volume vehicle, that loses money for the manufacturer, is not sustainable and doesn't move the climate needle.

GM/Chevrolet Silverado EV is just another compliance vehicle.

 

[FutureTruck]

I suppose everyone deals with disapointment differently.

I was personally disappointed that the Silverado had over 100 miles of range 440-460 than the Cybertruck 320.
Some people deal with the disappointment by trying to use different metrics, which they are entitled to do.

When it comes to EVs range is one of the primary barriers to adoption for ICE owners, and for EV buyers range is one of the most important factors. Which is why the silverado 440 > ct 320 is kind of a big deal in the EV world.

 

[scottf200]

Well, even if we say those 4-5 features are blowing away Cybertruck, we should know that Tesla made a deliberate choice to not add more battery or HUD or pass-through window. I give Silverado 10/10 for the last feature. We can only speculate why Tesla made those choices. If Silverado was in the same weight and battery range, and achieved all the functionalities of CT, then I would say it’s Apples to apples comparison, and CT is blown away for those features. They just doubled the battery size to show impressive range. I don’t know how many are comfortable hauling 2000 lbs of extra weight all the time and pay more $$ per mile just to have 400 miles range. In terms of rear window, do you think for a company building reusable rockets, adding a sliding window in the rear would have been a rocket science? I don’t know why Elon and Tesla made that choice. Probably they want to keep a pressurized cabin, highly enclosed air filtration system, to reduce road noise, wade mode, boat mode, fly mode, god knows.. but it’s a very conscious design change. Same thing with HUD. Tesla just wants to minimize the clutter to the max. Another deliberate design choice. If there is a Truck that does everything CT does and beats CT in some of the spec numbers, then I would say the other truck is the winner overall. Otherwise, these are just different vehicles for different needs. If your day job involves 400 miles of daily commute and hauling 6’+ cargo, and you don’t mind dust/debris getting into the main cabin, then definitely Silverado is a good choice for now.

I understand many of your comments.

It seems obvious to me that the rear window is solid without features is because the tonneau cover comes down there. You couldn't have examples of "guillotine" visions (kids fingers, etc).

For those that remember the 2019 presentation and 2019+ conversations about the 500 mile boasting announcement there were MANY many excited about that longer range and BACKing that decision for several reasons (batteries getting cheaper and for foreseeable future, towing heavy equip, towing boat to cabin, job site power, home power out power, camping, etc, etc). Now people pretend like those conversations did NOT happen. 180 defensive mode now vs previous boasting/bragging mode.

The HUD is common on several vehicles and 99.x% of old and new EV vehicles have drivers displays just like the S/X. It cheapens it IMO and they are selling $120K FS editions so making enough money . Tesla blew this aspect under the guise of minimalism and deciding what is best for all their users (ala you don't need real stock handles or classic rain detectors). To me this is a silly and obvious thing that people defend just because it is Tesla. I'm a fan but not a "super" fan.

Aside: look at my sig and my efforts over the years ... obviously I like aspect of the CT

 

[SentinelOne]

I suppose everyone deals with disapointment differently.

I was personally disappointed that the Silverado had over 100 miles of range 440-460 than the Cybertruck 320.
Some people deal with the disappointment by trying to use different metrics, which they are entitled to do.

When it comes to EVs range is one of the primary barriers to adoption for ICE owners, and for EV buyers range is one of the most important factors. Which is why the silverado 440 > ct 320 is kind of a big deal in the EV world.

The chevy range is nice for sure, brute force or not, and I am disappointed the CT couldn't get to at least 400mi range EPA! eg at least a 150kw battery. Mid Gate (I've had diesel trucks for 30+ years and never needed /wanted) and HUD - have in 2 other vehicles don't mean much to me, but everyone has diff needs so competition / choice is good!!! Everyone do you, there's no right or wrong choice here, buy what you want, $'s talk! Keeping my GMC2500 for range / towing and getting a CB so I'm doing both!

 

[FutureTruck]

The chevy range is nice for sure, brute force or not, and I am disappointed the CT couldn't get to at least 400mi range EPA! eg at least a 150kw battery. Mid Gate (I've had diesel trucks for 30+ years and never needed /wanted) and HUD - have in 2 other vehicles don't mean much to me, but everyone has diff needs so competition / choice is good!!! Everyone do you, there's no right or wrong choice here, buy what you want, $'s talk! Keeping my GMC2500 for range / towing and getting a CB so I'm doing both!

Yea the CT is a great secondary vehicle, I think people looking for a single vehicle will be disappointed but there is no doubt it makes a fun around town car, ton of fun to drive!

 

[CyberTW]

Poles, boards, lotsa things. The vault plus a passthrough would be awesome.

Not having a tonneau while you have a passthrough does limit when you can use the passthrough tho to fair days and times you can either fill it in a way someone can't reach in, or you can watch your stuff. So like, if you stop for sodas on your way to/from canoeing or surfing, you're going to have to leave someone with the truck and take shifts with the toilets.

-Crissa

Ya in Portland, if things aren’t secure in your bed, they are likely gone. Big plus for the vault

 

[Crissa]

Ya in Portland, if things aren’t secure in your bed, they are likely gone. Big plus for the vault

Anywhere there's easy access to haul stuff off and disappear. I've lost more stuff at the beach than Portland.

-Crissa

 

[DelPhonic1]

As a Tesla shareholder and CT enjoyer I am disappointed that CHEVY of all companies appears to have made a more capable vehicle by range of metrics, usability, and versatility.
No steer by wire and the Silverado looks like a regular ugly truck, but the stat sheet is better than the CT and that is disapointing.

... uhhh.. you guys apparently don't know that Chevy will lose more than 60k with each Silverado EV that they sell, and Tesla will make money on every CT they sell? Ya didn't know that, apparently.

 

[Crissa]

... uhhh.. you guys apparently don't know that Chevy will lose more than 60k with each Silverado EV that they sell, and Tesla will make money on every CT they sell? Ya didn't know that, apparently.

That's an estimate. It could be better or worse. Right now Tesla is also in the hole per Cybertruck built.

But Tesla has a plan to make this version pay off. It's unclear if GM has such a plan with this version of the truck.

Remember, Ford announced a target of 70k Lightnings last year. They made a little more than a third that, and blamed demand when they weren't able to sell them at the prices Cybertrucks are getting today.

It's all about that cost per goods sold. Something Tesla has always done very well.

-Crissa

 

[CyberTW]

Anywhere there's easy access to haul stuff off and disappear. I've lost more stuff at the beach than Portland.

-Crissa

Then you are a fortunate one. We are averaging hundreds of stolen cars per month.. doesn’t include stolen stuff out of cars, houses, stores (Home Depot, etc)

 

[Crissa]

Then you are a fortunate one. We are averaging hundreds of stolen cars per month.. doesn’t include stolen stuff out of cars, houses, stores (Home Depot, etc)

Stolen cars ≠ stolen stuff. Car is a stuff, but it's a bit more difficult to walk off than grabbing something from the bed.

No one is going to steal your Cybertruck unless you leave your keycard in it.

As it is, I haven't lost anything in decades. Because yeah, lucky, but honestly, the vast majority of cars never will be broken into. I still make sure that nothing valuable is in view or within arm's reach of a broken window. I leave pillows and coolers and stuff that's not worth stealing in the way.

-Crissa

 

[CyberTW]

Stolen cars ≠ stolen stuff. Car is a stuff, but it's a bit more difficult to walk off than grabbing something from the bed.

No one is going to steal your Cybertruck unless you leave your keycard in it.

As it is, I haven't lost anything in decades. Because yeah, lucky, but honestly, the vast majority of cars never will be broken into. I still make sure that nothing valuable is in view or within arm's reach of a broken window. I leave pillows and coolers and stuff that's not worth stealing in the way.

-Crissa

One reason I love teslas. Hard to steal.. but trust me, I work in a field here in Portland that sees the stolen items in great amounts in many parts of Portland, including those affected by it. Shoot, Home Depot in NE Portland won’t even bother for anyone stealing less that $900. NE/E/N Portland and downtown.. if you have items in an open truck bed, there is a high chance they won’t stay there. Just saying… not to get off topic

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