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VIN DECODER:
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/fbec7f77-5e2b-4d06-b46c-267e7327c2ff

GVWR revealed:
  • Cybertruck - Performance - 9,XXX pounds GVWR
  • Cybertruck - Standard - 8,XXX pounds GVWR
    • Compare to:
      • Model X - Plaid - 6,7868 pounds GVWR
      • Model S - Plaid - 5,596 pounds GVWR
      • Model Y - Long Range - 5,302 pounds GVWR
      • R1T - 8,532 pounds GVWR
      • Lightning - 8,250lbs-8,550 pounds GVWR
      • Hummer EV - 10,550 pounds GVWR

As required by law, VIN information published within 60 days of customer sales (customers in this case being internal customers).

Example for Dual Motor Cybertruck (with an x for check digit and assuming the Dual Motor Standard is Class G and the tri motor is Class H):
72GCEGEDXRA000001

Digits 1 -3: World Manufacturing Identifier
72G = Manufacturer: Tesla Inc., Vehicle Type: Truck

Digit 4: Make/Line/series
T = Tesla Semi
C = Cybertruck

Digit 5: Chassis/Cab Type
B = Day Cab
E = Truck - LHD

Digit 6: Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
E = Class 8 – Greater than 14968 kg. (33,001 lbs. and over)
G = Class G – Greater than 3629 kg. to 4082 kg. (8,001-9,000 lbs.)
H = Class H – Greater than 4082 kg. to 4536 kg. (9,001-10,000 lbs.)


Digit 7: Fuel Type
E = Electric

Digit 8: Motor/Drive Unit/Braking System
B = Dual Drive Rear Axle, Air Brakes (Designated for Semi)
D = Dual Motor – Standard (Designated for Cybertruck)
E = Triple Motor – Performance (Designated for Cybertruck)


Digit 9: Check Digit
To be assigned by manufacturer pursuant to 49 CFR § 565.15(c).

Digit 10: Model Year
R = 2024

Digit 11: Plant of Manufacture
N = Reno, NV
A = Austin, TX

Digits 12-17: Unique serial number
000001-999999
This is interesting but isn't the Semi a tri-motor drivetrain? And if this is incorrect for that might it not be incorrect in other ways?
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Interesting! Looks like we have a likely initial release of a Dual Motor - Standard and Triple Motor - Performance model.

What I find most interesting is the weight classifications.
  • G = Class G – Greater than 3629 kg. to 4082 kg. (8,001-9,000 lbs.)
  • H = Class H – Greater than 4082 kg. to 4536 kg. (9,001-10,000 lbs.)
I wonder if this indicates the standard dual motor is between 8,000 to 9,000 pounds and the triple with certain options might be in the 9,000 to 10,000 lbs class? Or are they just adding both just in case, or because it is real close to 9,000 pounds and can go over/under based on wheel configurations?
Well, number ranges can be tricky. The 'G' class just has to be less than 9,001 pounds and the 'H' class just has to be greater than 9,000 pounds. So in reality they could be very close to each other (1-2 pounds would do it to put them in different ranges). That doesn't mean this is a correct interpretation; only that it is a viable one.
 

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Yes, I believe the Dual is class G and the Tri is class H. I'm guessing the weight of the Dual is probably high 8,000's just below 9k pounds. And the larger battery pack on the Tri, with the added motor puts it over 9k pounds.
This makes the most sense to me.
 

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OOF.
From this site: DOE

Vans, sport utility vehicles, and pickup trucks must not have an MSRP above $80,000, and all other vehicles may not have an MSRP above $55,000. The MSRP can be found on the vehicle’s window sticker, which is also known as the “Monroney label”; the MSRP for this purpose includes any trim, options, or accessories for the particular vehicle and excludes the destination fee and dealer-provided options and accessories.

My point is that there's a strong chance that some configurations will be above $80,000. I'm definitely in the Tri-motor camp (unless there's a long range quad-motor, that is). With $7,000 for FSD, that puts mine at close to $77,000 if Tesla keeps their original pricing.

Going to be a nail biter...
This legend doesn't have a quad-motor option, at least as of August.
 


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If Cybertruck has a 3500lb cargo capacity, then at Class G it weighs no more than 5500lbs.
Does the cargo capacity include passengers? I always thought they meant just non-passenger cargo but now that I think of it that doesn't make sense from a regulatory point of view. So if a Ford F-150 has a 2,000 pound cargo capacity (I do not know what its cargo capacity is) that could include 1,000 pounds of people and only have a usable cargo in the bed of less than 1,000 pounds? If so then the same argument applied to the CT would result in a useful cargo capacity of 2,500 pounds. Still a lot. Just wondering.
 
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Interesting! Looks like we have a likely initial release of a Dual Motor - Standard and Triple Motor - Performance model.

What I find most interesting is the weight classifications.
  • G = Class G – Greater than 3629 kg. to 4082 kg. (8,001-9,000 lbs.)
  • H = Class H – Greater than 4082 kg. to 4536 kg. (9,001-10,000 lbs.)
I wonder if this indicates the standard dual motor is between 8,000 to 9,000 pounds and the triple with certain options might be in the 9,000 to 10,000 lbs class? Or are they just adding both just in case, or because it is real close to 9,000 pounds and can go over/under based on wheel configurations?
The Ford F-150 Ford Lightning has a curb weight of up to 6,500 lbs and GVWR of ~ 8,400.
 


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not gonna be a larger pack on the tri, but it will weigh a bit more
initially. Unless you are claiming that there will 'never' be a 500-mile tri-motor variant. Do we have to restart that discussion all over again? Tesla only published a tri-motor trim with 500-mile range, so are you saying that that trim is being removed and a new one with ~300 mile range is being added?
 

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It’s much more likely that the Cybertruck maximum payload is around 2000 lbs, especially with air suspension, 3500 is extremely unlikely and doesn’t add up with the estimated GVWR and the realistic weight of the truck.
Ram 's air ride has a payload of 2,300, I think Tesla can do better. Take it with a grain of salt because I have nothing to base it on other than the fact that the Ram is a Stellantis product.
 

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OOF.
From this site: DOE

Vans, sport utility vehicles, and pickup trucks must not have an MSRP above $80,000, and all other vehicles may not have an MSRP above $55,000. The MSRP can be found on the vehicle’s window sticker, which is also known as the “Monroney label”; the MSRP for this purpose includes any trim, options, or accessories for the particular vehicle and excludes the destination fee and dealer-provided options and accessories.

My point is that there's a strong chance that some configurations will be above $80,000. I'm definitely in the Tri-motor camp (unless there's a long range quad-motor, that is). With $7,000 for FSD, that puts mine at close to $77,000 if Tesla keeps their original pricing.

Going to be a nail biter...
As Tesla is the dealer, can Tesla then exclude things like FSD and pretty much all other options to keep the MSRP down for the rebate?
 
 








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