FRUNK on the Cybertruck?

[scottf200]

I would rather a frunk that didn't hide children from my driver's view.

-Crissa

Potentially bumper cameras in this GreenTheOnly Twitter thread:
" So make that 11 cameras? The names are a bit cryptic, but looks like side cams are in front fenders now. Rumors of two cameras in the windshield are confirmed (properties unknown). The cameras are: F-SVC, L-SVC, R-SVC L-FF-Rear, R-FF-Rear (in front fenders I guess) Selfie, "

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[Jhodgesatmb]

I don't see this post (from GreenTheOnly) providing any information about Cybertruck. The Cybertruck is a new animal and will likely have cameras:

windshield (Center, 2+)
fender (L, R)
front bumper (L, R)
rear bumper (L, R, Center)
b pillar (L, R)
upper light bar (Front, Rear facing)

So I could see 13+ cameras on the Cybertruck. Much of this is conjecture but the Cybertruck needs cameras for the rearview 'mirror' and for trailering that other Tesla vehicles don't.

 

[scottf200]

I don't see this post (from GreenTheOnly) providing any information about Cybertruck. The Cybertruck is a new animal and will likely have cameras:

windshield (Center, 2+)
fender (L, R)
front bumper (L, R)
rear bumper (L, R, Center)
b pillar (L, R)
upper light bar (Front, Rear facing)

So I could see 13+ cameras on the Cybertruck. Much of this is conjecture but the Cybertruck needs cameras for the rearview 'mirror' and for trailering that other Tesla vehicles don't.

I would not expect separate hardware for the Cybertruck at all. There is a "spare"
On the tweet directly preceding the one I posted was this:

Sensors: There are now 12 fully populated camera connectors. One is marked "Spare", though.

 

[Gurule92]

I do badly want a front bumper ground cam. Would be sweet for offroad and other fun things

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I would not expect separate hardware for the Cybertruck at all. There is a "spare"
On the tweet directly preceding the one I posted was this:

I agree with you (kind of) with respect to FSD-like features. Othewrwise you are already mistaken about this. The Cybertruck is the only vehicle in the fleet that has a rearview monitor that requires a camera higher than a normal rearview camera (it isn't just about seeing what is directly behind the car but seeing the traffic for the same distance and field of view of a rearview mirror). The original Cybertruck prototype also had 2 cameras on either side of the license plate presumably dedicated to trailer hookup and it will necessarily have some configuration of cameras to accommodate this feature. Also, there is no reason to believe that a work and/or offroad vehicle wouldn't have additional cameras specific to these functions that other fleet vehicles would neither need nor benefit from.

 

[scottf200]

I agree with you (kind of) with respect to FSD-like features. Othewrwise you are already mistaken about this. The Cybertruck is the only vehicle in the fleet that has a rearview monitor that requires a camera higher than a normal rearview camera (it isn't just about seeing what is directly behind the car but seeing the traffic for the same distance and field of view of a rearview mirror). The original Cybertruck prototype also had 2 cameras on either side of the license plate presumably dedicated to trailer hookup and it will necessarily have some configuration of cameras to accommodate this feature. Also, there is no reason to believe that a work and/or offroad vehicle wouldn't have additional cameras specific to these functions that other fleet vehicles would neither need nor benefit from.

To be clear, you are saying they will have a new & unique piece of hardware for the Cybertruck than the HW4 hardware they are apparently building and putting in right now? There are only 12 camera connectors on it per Green with 1 being marked as a "spare".

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

To be clear, you are saying they will have a new & unique piece of hardware for the Cybertruck than the HW4 hardware they are apparently building and putting in right now? There are only 12 camera connectors on it per Green with 1 being marked as a "spare".

No, I did not realize that they were talking about the number of camera inputs on the HW4 board. I thought they were talking about the number of cameras somehow noted in software and not about the HW4 motherboard. My comment was about how many cameras the CT will likely need and not about HW4 at all. The original post was about the Model X as far as I could tell since that is what was shown in the posted images.

I never saw the image above in the first posting (and I left Twitter a couple months ago so I would not have seen more than you posted originally). The image above shows 5 connectors with 12 pins of some kind so I am not sure how that helps me to understand the point. Is each prong in each connector supposed to be a camera cable/connection? Also, Green's comment is that there are 12 fully-populated connectors. I must say that I do not understand what he means by "fully populated" or "connectors" so I am left guessing. By "fully populated" might he mean that there are other connectors on the board that aren't fully populated? I must admit that I need more information.

So to recap, and not to suggest that my response is providing any additional clarity, I was only talking about how many cameras I think the CT might have/need and not about the HW4 board. I do no think that the CT will have a different HW4 board. For the image above I have more questions than illumination.

 

[FutureBoy]

I dream up completely impractical features because it’s interesting.

I love the idea of the drawer front. Probably won’t happen, but it’s interesting. So long as you don’t fall in love with your idea there is no harm in it.

Just wait till someone else falls in love with your idea. Then we'll see if there is any harm in it. May be just my experience but not getting what I imagined is just what happens on the regular. No big deal. Handling those that didn't get what they imagined I could provide is where the real pain is.

 

[FutureBoy]

<snip>
Back Seat
Wife

Chauffeur, huh?

-Crissa

No, back seat driver...

Hmmm.... When FSD becomes a thing, will the terminology change? FSD will be the driver. So the annoying one making comments, will be in the front seat? Will front seat driver become a similar idea as the current back seat driver? And what will FSD be called? It's not in a seat after all. Maybe FSD just becomes our chauffeur. So I'll have a rich person's life with my own chauffeur.

 

[JBee]

Now that we know there's a gap on the side of the front grill it's actually possible that the frunk lid opens up, and the front grill can also slide out as a drawer. My main reason, lately at least, for not thinking we will get a drawer system is that amphibious mode needs that frunk to be water tight. But I suppose if they have sorted that and having a moving grill now (maybe by using inflatable seals, which would also be good on the doors) then you could open it up however you like.

 

[JBee]

Hmmm.... When FSD becomes a thing, will the terminology change? FSD will be the driver. So the annoying one making comments, will be in the front seat? Will front seat driver become a similar idea as the current back seat driver? And what will FSD be called? It's not in a seat after all. Maybe FSD just becomes our chauffeur. So I'll have a rich person's life with my own chauffeur.

You already have a rich person's life because you don't have to feed the donkey that pulls your cart. ?

I think terms like "chauffeur", taxi or Uber driver will become relics of the past, like liftman and bellhops. The technology of the tool will make some terminology obsolete. Think about this one as if you were living in the early 90's:

"Pass me my phone so I can make a picture".

(And someone hands you one of those kitchen phones with the exaggerated spiral cord)

 

[ED_SFO]

I'm thinking 11 total cameras needed and where I would place them

3 cameras in front-
1 in the middle facing forward
1 in the headlight facing right
1 in the headlight facing left

Cameras in the headlight would reduce a part to install in the bumper or somewhere else. Headlights can be made that way and it should be plug and play within wiring harness.

Two in b pillar left and right

Two in fenders left and right

Two in windshield for autopilot

One in the rear for reverse

One in the main cabin for driver attentiveness/ cabin sentry mode.

My guesses..

 

[cvalue13]

I do badly want a front bumper ground cam. Would be sweet for offroad and other fun things

they’ve been on Raptors for a long time, and for me they only gave vertigo since they’re by necessity wide-angle lenses

Though I’ll admit to having a weak constitution for optical illusions

 

[scottf200]

No, I did not realize that they were talking about the number of camera inputs on the HW4 board. I thought they were talking about the number of cameras somehow noted in software and not about the HW4 motherboard. My comment was about how many cameras the CT will likely need and not about HW4 at all. The original post was about the Model X as far as I could tell since that is what was shown in the posted images.

I never saw the image above in the first posting (and I left Twitter a couple months ago so I would not have seen more than you posted originally). The image above shows 5 connectors with 12 pins of some kind so I am not sure how that helps me to understand the point. Is each prong in each connector supposed to be a camera cable/connection? Also, Green's comment is that there are 12 fully-populated connectors. I must say that I do not understand what he means by "fully populated" or "connectors" so I am left guessing. By "fully populated" might he mean that there are other connectors on the board that aren't fully populated? I must admit that I need more information.

So to recap, and not to suggest that my response is providing any additional clarity, I was only talking about how many cameras I think the CT might have/need and not about the HW4 board. I do no think that the CT will have a different HW4 board. For the image above I have more questions than illumination.

Green/GreenTheOnly is very well known and has been looking at the Tesla software and hardware for years. He has a large network/contacts. He provides a lot of insight and is pretty consistent in what he describes and will admit if he doesn't know.

In any event, my point is that if they are producing the HW4 already and it has 12 camera input connections then they are not likely to going to have unique hardware for CT. I'd lean toward some physical evidence over conjecture of what we think the CT will have that is beyond that.

I'd guess the rear view mirror will be a modified feed from the existing rear camera.

 

[Ogre]

Just wait till someone else falls in love with your idea. Then we'll see if there is any harm in it. May be just my experience but not getting what I imagined is just what happens on the regular. No big deal. Handling those that didn't get what they imagined I could provide is where the real pain is.

Funny that you say this because I do get a bit frustrated when people argue that a million random features they want “Won’t cost Much”.

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