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In fact I do not know a single person that owns a Tesla that has had more issues than any other car, and much fewer in fact. But you have to ask yourself a serious question that you are pasting YouTube videos links knowing full well that YouTubers are sensationalists looking for clicks. Sorry but none of those are going to sway my opinion.
I don't need to sway your opinion, and that's exactly what it is.

However with it taking you this long to respond, only to emotionally name call or categorize all youtubers as 'sensationalists' speaks volumes on how you base your opinion. I'm not a youtuber and I don't need your click or reply. If you're going to dismiss support by profiling, or name calling, you could've saved yourself time and credibility by not replying at all.

When a youtuber records a rattle on camera to effectively bring you in their car with them, how is that 'sensationalizing'? They're just letting you honestly hear it for yourself, and then they're showing what they found as causes and remedies.

I'm not saying that Teslas have these issues more than other cars. I never said that or even alluded to that. I only pointed out the concern because I believe Tesla can have even less of these issues, and I want them to keep improving and stay even further ahead.

But the first step in progress toward advancement or refinement is 'acceptance', without being overly defensive of criticism that may be intended as constructive. Sandy Monroe touched on this in his recent video discussing people and companies who are dismissive of trends and EV adoption.

You can dismiss a chance to improve all you want. I wasn't asking you anyway.

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Three years owning my MY. I had a minor rattling at high speeds that was fixed when I took it in for a tire rotation. 44k miles and no maintenance other than tire rotation and topping off wiper fluid. Waking up with 80% every morning is really great.
 

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In fact I do not know a single person that owns a Tesla that has had more issues than any other car, and much fewer in fact. But you have to ask yourself a serious question that you are pasting YouTube videos links knowing full well that YouTubers are sensationalists looking for clicks. Sorry but none of those are going to sway my opinion.
I love my Teslas and would never own another car (currently), but they absolutely have rattles that cars in the same price point don't suffer from. I've found and fixed many on my 22 MS LR, but they randomly keep appearing. I never had these sort of problems in my F150 Platinum, Mercedes, BMW, but again...I enjoy owning a Tesla more and live with it.

It's not really anecdotal. If you look on CR, TMC, Reddit...anywhere...you'll see it's really common along with poor paint and poor fit/finish. For me, I'd rather find them myself and fix them then complain, but I have had a mobile tech come out twice for a really bad one in the dash that I didn't want to take apart...but they fixed it both times for $0.

They've also fixed wind noises in 2 of my neighbors cars for free.

Edit: And yes, all 3 Teslas I've owned had slightly misaligned panels or gaps...but I really don't care about that. Certainly not enough to ask Tesla to fix them.
 

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I love my Teslas and would never own another car (currently), but they absolutely have rattles that cars in the same price point don't suffer from. I've found and fixed many on my 22 MS LR, but they randomly keep appearing. I never had these sort of problems in my F150 Platinum, Mercedes, BMW, but again...I enjoy owning a Tesla more and live with it.

It's not really anecdotal. If you look on CR, TMC, Reddit...anywhere...you'll see it's really common along with poor paint and poor fit/finish. For me, I'd rather find them myself and fix them then complain, but I have had a mobile tech come out twice for a really bad one in the dash that I didn't want to take apart...but they fixed it both times for $0.

They've also fixed wind noises in 2 of my neighbors cars for free.

Edit: And yes, all 3 Teslas I've owned had slightly misaligned panels or gaps...but I really don't care about that. Certainly not enough to ask Tesla to fix them.
CR = Consumer Reports? They are a notorious anti-Tesla outlet
TMC = Tesla Motor Club? Every time I go to that site it seems filled with trolls and anti-Tesla fanatics
Reddit? Really?

I am willing to accept the fact that Teslas have issues, but not that they have more issues than any other make. My last car, a Lexus, had fit and finish problems, and it had mechanical problems, and that company has been around for decades. My previous vehicles to that were Jeep Grand Cherokees and they had more issues than I can shake a stick at. But I just assumed that these were just the way things are and only tried to get warranty service when something actually broke.

All of this moaning about panel fits, rattles, etc. seems brand new to me. If it is actual damage or something definitely wrong at pickup then absolutely the company should fix it. If it is something that happens later on that the company messed up yes it should be fixed. If it is a warranty issue it should be fixed. For some reason people seem to be a lot more anal these days than they were 'before', or maybe I was just an ignorant and naive car owner for so many decades. I cannot say but maybe I will be more sensitive when I have to pay $80+K for a Cybertruck. Back to the your point and my point, I expect the early Cybertrucks to have some issues. It is a brand new vehicle being made differently than any other car before it. I am not sure how critical I will be about these kinds of things; I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
 

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CR = Consumer Reports? They are a notorious anti-Tesla outlet
TMC = Tesla Motor Club? Every time I go to that site it seems filled with trolls and anti-Tesla fanatics
Reddit? Really?

I am willing to accept the fact that Teslas have issues, but not that they have more issues than any other make. My last car, a Lexus, had fit and finish problems, and it had mechanical problems, and that company has been around for decades. My previous vehicles to that were Jeep Grand Cherokees and they had more issues than I can shake a stick at. But I just assumed that these were just the way things are and only tried to get warranty service when something actually broke.

All of this moaning about panel fits, rattles, etc. seems brand new to me. If it is actual damage or something definitely wrong at pickup then absolutely the company should fix it. If it is something that happens later on that the company messed up yes it should be fixed. If it is a warranty issue it should be fixed. For some reason people seem to be a lot more anal these days than they were 'before', or maybe I was just an ignorant and naive car owner for so many decades. I cannot say but maybe I will be more sensitive when I have to pay $80+K for a Cybertruck. Back to the your point and my point, I expect the early Cybertrucks to have some issues. It is a brand new vehicle being made differently than any other car before it. I am not sure how critical I will be about these kinds of things; I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
The fact that you started your post off discrediting each source, 2 of which are dedicated Tesla owner forums, likely means you aren't able to be objective about the conversation.

Tesla is known, globally, for having poor fit and finish, rattles, wind noise, and poor paint. This isn't something created to go against the company, this is from Tesla owners that it's re-circulated by both owners and haters. There are hundreds of threads on how to fix them, what to look for, what to ask for from Service to come and fix them. Despite all of this, many still buy Teslas because they do enjoy the car, but the most common complaint about the Model S and X, outside of steering wheel vibration, is rattles and wind noise. It's verifiable.

I've owned many cars and Teslas, all 3 I've owned and the 7 or 8 others I've been in, have rattles. I dislike them, so I typically fix them. They are much worse in the 3/Y than the S, but none are quiet cars...The S makes noises when the air suspension changes, the windows go up and down, there's body flex from driving off a curb. They don't have the absolute quietness of a Mercedes or even a BMW, but they never advertised that they did.

I've said this before and it's not an insult. The Model 3/Y has the quality of a Civic with expensive batteries, computers, and cameras. It is what it is.

All of this and I absolutely love my cars and many do. That's why the customer complaints are so high, but so is the desire to own a 2nd Tesla.

And this part is absolutely anecdotal, but The F150 was absolutely rock solid for a truck. It wasn't as dead quiet as my Mercedes, but better than BMW, Tesla, or Toyota. That truck was quiet and never one rattle.

Edit: Elon has even confirmed he's known about the poor fit and finish. When Sandy Munro pointed them out to Elon and compared some things to 90s Kias, Elon responded "Those criticisms are accurate". It's definitely improved on their mass produced cars (3/Y), but still not up to par with other major brands in the US. Allegedly China produced Tesla cars are close to perfect.
 
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And to the CT, there will absolutely be some major misses to start with. There will be one where a bolt falls off, the headrest falls, seat comes off...something seemingly crazy...a single one and it will be reported everywhere. Every single new car has these issues just as every single mature car can also have a random lemon.
 

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The fact that you started your post off discrediting each source, 2 of which are dedicated Tesla owner forums, likely means you aren't able to be objective about the conversation.
Reddit is not remotely a “dedicated owners forum”. It is Reddit. And Reddit is absolutely filled with anti Tesla trolls. There are some Tesla owners in r/Tesla but it is absolutely flooded with other idiots who have never driver a Tesla in their lives.


Tesla is known, globally, for having poor fit and finish, rattles, wind noise, and poor paint.
This is nonsense propagated largely in the US by medi that parrots anti Tesla BS because it sells. Outside the US where advertising has less influence in the media, Teslas reputation is fine.
 

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This is nonsense propagated largely in the US by medi that parrots anti Tesla BS because it sells. Outside the US where advertising has less influence in the media, Teslas reputation is fine.
Nonsense that even Elon admitted was true, got it.

I mean read what you posted...It's nonsense, despite an overwhelming amount of owners reporting it and Elon confirming it.

That's the exact reason why the term fan boy is applied. Despite all of the obvious facts, you say it's non-sense or an agenda against Tesla. All of those owners are in on it, Elon and Sandy Munro, too.

Edit: And you are on TMC. I'm pretty sure you were in that one MS thread where I called the new owner over sensitive to the panel gaps and then got absolutely attacked because "$100k cars should be perfect", but in between those extremes is the truths. Most Tesla owners say their car has poor fit and finish, paint, and an abundance or rattles and wind noise. When that many owners believe it, does it not become fact?

I mean there's a checklist created by owners for that very reason. It's not something I've ever seen from another group of car owners.
 
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Nonsense that even Elon admitted was true, got it.

I mean read what you posted...It's nonsense, despite an overwhelming amount of owners reporting it and Elon confirming it.

That's the exact reason why the term fan boy is applied. Despite all of the obvious facts, you say it's non-sense or an agenda against Tesla. All of those owners are in on it, Elon and Sandy Munro, too.
The Model 3 was hot garbage during the ramp up, this is hardly controversial. Tesla has since made great strides in quality, but the old stories keep being cited.

Munro even compared an early Model Y to a later one, and they were impressed by the quality improvements.

Traditional automakers have an advantage over Tesla in terms of perceived initial quality, due to the dealership network. The dealers are professional detailers, and go to great lengths to make each vehicle look perfect, since the customer is choosing it on the spot.
 

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The Model 3 was hot garbage during the ramp up, this is hardly controversial. Tesla has since made great strides in quality, but the old stories keep being cited.

Munro even compared an early Model Y to a later one, and they were impressed by the quality improvements.

Traditional automakers have an advantage over Tesla in terms of perceived initial quality, due to the dealership network. The dealers are professional detailers, and go to great lengths to make each vehicle look perfect, since the customer is choosing it on the spot.
I agree with that and have said that Tesla SC should be more proactive in making delivery cars better, but the interview I was speaking to was in 2021 and it has gotten better, but still not great at this point. Sandy even said his 2021 was much better than previous Model 3s, but there's still such a variance that he knows someone who picked one up a month later and his was perfect while Sandy's wasn't.

The rattle issue is something born from owners, just like the delivery horror stories. Calling it fake is ridiculous. Hell even Tesla techs acknowledge that Teslas will rattle. My mobile tech said it's mostly misaligned latches (MS/X) and plastic clips not being clipped all the way or breaking during manufacturing. He said there's maybe 15 that he can fix right away and then some that take a bunch of drives to figure out. He said there are some known issues that even Tesla can't fix like steering wheel vibration in S/X.

He fixed my rear seat rattle with electrical tape. He said there's no real "fix" for it as it's just a poor design.
 


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The point of discussing these things are two-fold;

1. They are real and many owners experience them.
2. Most SC/Techs will go out of their way, at any point in the car's lifecycle, to fix them. So it's nice to have that support.

It's not an attack on Tesla as a company. I own stock, own 2 cars currently have had a third. I'll buy more in the future, but no one should expect any of them to be the quality of a Mercedes or Porsche.
 

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The point of discussing these things are two-fold;

1. They are real and many owners experience them.
2. Most SC/Techs will go out of their way, at any point in the car's lifecycle, to fix them. So it's nice to have that support.

It's not an attack on Tesla as a company. I own stock, own 2 cars currently have had a third. I'll buy more in the future, but no one should expect any of them to be the quality of a Mercedes or Porsche.
You are largely propagating a bunch of issues which were a big problem with early Model 3 and Model Y production. You are also jumping all over the place here.

You’ve claimed this is “Global”, yet Musk and many others have pointed out that quality has never been an issue outside the Fremont factory and quality is vastly better from the Fremont factory now as well. Show me a modern quote from Musk talking about quality issues since you want to quote him.

Tesla’s Model 3 is more than $10,000 less (20% less) than the equivalent BMW. BMW’s closest competitor to the Model Y is $35,000 more expensive than the Model Y.

Warrantee costs on Teslas are about the lowest in the industry, far lower than BMW or Mercedes which suggests initial quality on the Tesla is higher. Owner satisfaction and retention is higher as well.

You’ve just stacked a bunch of dated information and anecdotes and claimed it is current and “Factual”.
 

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You are largely propagating a bunch of issues which were a big problem with early Model 3 and Model Y production. You are also jumping all over the place here.

You’ve claimed this is “Global”, yet Musk and many others have pointed out that quality has never been an issue outside the Fremont factory and quality is vastly better from the Fremont factory now as well. Show me a modern quote from Musk talking about quality issues since you want to quote him.

Tesla’s Model 3 is more than $10,000 less (20% less) than the equivalent BMW. BMW’s closest competitor to the Model Y is $35,000 more expensive than the Model Y.

Warrantee costs on Teslas are about the lowest in the industry, far lower than BMW or Mercedes which suggests initial quality on the Tesla is higher. Owner satisfaction and retention is higher as well.

You’ve just stacked a bunch of dated information and anecdotes and claimed it is current and “Factual”.
There's a bunch of complaints from Germany and MYs from Austin.

Regarding Musk, I quoted one from February 2021. I said it has improved since then, but still not close to what I would qualify as good.

None of this is dated.

Should I post threads from new deliveries of each car? Or are pictures/stories from owners not sufficient data? Same with rattles? There's a whole thread about what service techs did to fix rattles in the refresh Model S. How about vibration on the wheel in the S/X, need references?

If owner stories aren't sufficient, what is? Again, I'm not saying this hasn't gotten better...I said it in my initial post, but it's still an issue. Cars are rejected all the time for misaligned panel gaps, broken things, poor paint, etc.

Do you really believe a Model S has the same fit/finish, quietness, or quality of a Mercedes? If you do, there's no amount of references that will convince you.
 

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Also, I love how you pirouette from

Tesla is known, globally, for having poor fit and finish, rattles, wind noise, and poor paint.
To now:

no one should expect any of them to be the quality of a Mercedes or Porsche.
You apparently realized how untenable your original comment was so now you are trying to move the goalposts and inject claims that other people didn’t make.
 
 




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