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I started driving in 1978 and have driven junkers a good part of the time, a lot of that time on a shoe string budget... so .. in short i have swapped tires on the roadside quite a few times... On my old Neon I did it so often <over 2 decades of car ownership> that the last time i had to do it.. it was under ten minutes from putting it in park beside the road to putting it in drive and taking off...

however in the last ten years i haven't had to at all.. <higher income replace tires when they MIGHT need it instead of when they DO need it>
I would chalk that up to people not following maintenance timelines and not being able to afford replacing tires when it's needed. I'd imagine if you are buying a CT, even if it turns out to be the cheaper announced pricing, you can afford to, and will maintain proper maintenance timelines on your tires (especially given that's pretty much all you have to maintain on it!). So, unless you are specifically using the CT on job sites with a-hole roofers who throw nails and screws and scrap metal down onto the ground and don't clean it up, then your odds of needing to swap a flat on the side of the road is pretty low!
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The very day i bought my DeLorean, I was driving it through rural Texas back from Houston and got a flat that needed changing on the side of the road; the previous owner had left the tires to dry rot.

Of course, this was my first time in a DeLorean and had no idea if/where there was a jack, tools, or a spare. Turns out there's a "doughtnut" spare under the floor of the frunk (bonnet?) which involved me dumping the frunk contents first. (Meanwhile, passers-by are all catcalling "HEY MARTY, Y'ALL BREAK UR FLUCKS REACTOR OR SUMTHIN? HAR HAR HAR")

I was successful, but then spent a good 45 minutes trying to puzzle out how to get the full-size wheel back into the frunk, to no avail. It eventually rode home shotgun.

Little did I know that I was supposed to assemble the "luggage rack" over the louvers and store the wheel there.

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Also regarding the midgate. That the midgate rolls up into a bundle down low behind the back seat does not disallow a midgate. The roll just has to go down below floor level. Am I missing something here?
yes.

So, unless you are specifically using the CT on job sites with a-hole roofers who throw nails and screws and scrap metal down onto the ground and don't clean it up, then your odds of needing to swap a flat on the side of the road is pretty low!
i'd have nodded in mild agreement with this 3 months ago.

but since then, i've had a flat every month since

(I'm not *on* job sites, but I pass by several to/from work - construction crews must get kick-backs from Goodyear)
 

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but since then, i've had a flat every month since

(I'm not *on* job sites, but I pass by several to/from work - construction crews must get kick-backs from Goodyear)
How is it that I always bend the nail when hitting it with a hammer, but when lying flat on the road it goes straight into my tire??

For my next project, I'm just going to dump all the lumber and hardware in the road and run over it a few times
 

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How is it that I always bend the nail when hitting it with a hammer, but when lying flat on the road it goes straight into my tire??

For my next project, I'm just going to dump all the lumber and hardware in the road and run over it a few times
it's f'ing unbelievable

or a I unknowingly driving over a million nails/screws a day and chance just catches up with me?
 


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We should remember that our (US) 220volts is really two phases/circuits of 110volts
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Since I worked at a utility for many years, I thought I would expand on your statement for the benefit of others...

A typical distribution circuit that runs down the street where I live is a 12 kV AC single phase circuit from the local substation. Near my home is a pad mounted transformer. The input to the transformer is 12 kV AC single phase, and the output is 240 volts AC with a center tap (see attachment). If you measure the voltage on the output of the transformer, from outer leg to outer leg, it will be 240 volts AC. From the center tap to either outer leg will be 120 volts AC. There is not two phase power run into the neighborhood or two circuits, etc., just the single phase center-tapped transformer output that feeds 4-6 homes.

It would be useful if Tesla could provide both 240v and 120v receptacles like many generators do, but as a cost-savings measure I could see them just providing the 120v connection...

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So I should sacrifice bed space for a job site in order to have a spare tire?
Nah, just buy a Lightning with a much smaller bed. Lots of them on the used market right now and more soon.

Forgive my sarcasm… just seems like this issue is getting blown up more than it deserves.
 

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Since I worked at a utility for many years, I thought I would expand on your statement for the benefit of others...

A typical distribution circuit that runs down the street where I live is a 12 kV AC single phase circuit from the local substation. Near my home is a pad mounted transformer. The input to the transformer is 12 kV AC single phase, and the output is 240 volts AC with a center tap (see attachment). If you measure the voltage on the output of the transformer, from outer leg to outer leg, it will be 240 volts AC. From the center tap to either outer leg will be 120 volts AC. There is not two phase power run into the neighborhood or two circuits, etc., just the single phase center-tapped transformer output that feeds 4-6 homes.

It would be useful if Tesla could provide both 240v and 120v receptacles like many generators do, but as a cost-savings measure I could see them just providing the 120v connection...

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That would also be my first guess as well, but seeing what Ford has included in their 'Pro Power' (panel), I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla also did something comparable.

Now for Ford (in my opinion), this was an easy enhancement because it's really just a panel with two 120volt phases and some receptacles, all NEMA standard available already from about any supplier. So this feature requires no new technology of any kind really. Ford dresses it up and touts it's usefulness in feature advertisement glam, and voila many uninitiated customers are 'wooed' as if it's something only Ford was ever able to do. :)

It was actually a very smart move by Ford, but they have to really push technology that's easy or that they're good at, because the other core innovations of EVs are still very challenging to most legacy auto companies, in optimizing technology and scaling at feasible cost. The fact that they included an onboard charger of limited speed is an indication of what I don't think is for cost alone, but also because possibly their battery packs and management systems might not yet be able to accept a higher rate of charge like Tesla battery packs can. Again, my speculation, but if you really want to make a good impression on customers already questioning whether they should consider EVs, then why limit the charging experience? Ford's already got negative margins on EVs anyway, but the additional cost of a more robust onboard charger would be very small in comparison, so I think there are other limitations in play for the current versions of the F150 Lightning.

Back to this Cybertruck Prototype - there is more room for an extended layout of additional receptacles in the flat area where the empty hole is located, and it would be very easy for Tesla to change that layout any time they wanted.

Actually, I may do a quick design of a triangular shaped recess flange panel with NEMA devices that would likely fit in that area, and then post it here just for kicks. Might take a couple days or more, need to fit it in my schedule.

Let's hope Tesla will offer something like Ford's 'Pro Power', or if not, at least a two phase 240volt outlet with an adapter accessory maybe. Either way, it's not a 'deal breaker' for me, but some buyers may be stuck on that feature.

- ÆCIII
 
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How is it that I always bend the nail when hitting it with a hammer, but when lying flat on

the road it goes straight into my tire??

For my next project, I'm just going to dump all the lumber and hardware in the road and run over it a few times
Holy shit the amount I feel and relate to this
 


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