More 500-mile range rumors!

[anionic1]

Could be if it has Rivian efficiencies (motor, Cd, etc).

If it’s close to the model s pack, that’s 3000 lbs of battery alone. The density of the battery packs is about 17 watts per sq. in. of a 4” tall pack. The packs will likely cover the entire floor of the cab and not extend past the front wall of the truck bed due to the tonneau coil. And the intent of the structural pack is that it fits between the casting which start and end at the front and back of the cab. Assuming that cab area is a little less than 8’x6’ you get just about 100 kWh per 4” layer. So feasibly a full double layer under the entire cab could be around 200 kWh and it would need to be efficient to hit 500 miles with that pack. I think the average tends to be closer to 2.5 miles per kWh.

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[scottf200]

So feasibly a full double layer under the entire cab could be around 200 kWh and it would need to be very efficient to hit 500 miles with that pack. I think the average tends to be closer to 2 miles per kWh.

Where did you get that 2 miles per kWh? The Ford and Rivian are quite a bit higher than that (spreadsheet above).

 

[SlegMD]

If it’s close to the model s pack, that’s 3000 lbs of battery alone. The density of the battery packs is about 17 watts per sq. in. of a 4” tall pack. The packs will likely cover the entire floor of the cab and not extend past the front wall of the truck bed due to the tonneau coil. And the intent of the structural pack is that it fits between the casting which start and end at the front and back of the cab. Assuming that cab area is a little less than 8’x6’ you get just about 100 kWh per 4” layer. So feasibly a full double layer under the entire cab could be around 200 kWh and it would need to be very efficient to hit 500 miles with that pack. I think the average tends to be closer to 2 miles per kWh.

Weights are off.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Tesla already said it has 500 miles range.

But @cvalue13 has assured us many times that this is not the case. Anyway, what a test driver tells someone they want to impress should probably be taken with a grain of salt (even if every fiber in my body wants it to be true).

 

[cvalue13]

But @cvalue13 has assured us many times that this is not the case. Anyway, what a test driver tells someone they want to impress should probably be taken with a grain of salt (even if every fiber in my body wants it to be true).

have confirmed it wasn’t the test driver that relayed this info, if anyone did

 

[TBONO]

I estimate a 500+ mile range version could be made with only 180-185 kWh. But that doesn't mean the release version will be 500+ miles. I'm not even convinced there will be a three-motor variant anymore, it may be replaced by two four-motor versions, one with 300+ miles and one with 500+ miles. And the release version is not likely to be the 500+ mile version.

I hope I'm wrong, but there is a certain benefit from letting all the testers drive a lighter truck and then bring out the heavier, longer-range beast at a later date.

Interesting perspective. I think some good points here, however, one fundamental consideration:

Has Tesla ever released a product in its category not ahead of its competition?
I don’t think so

if they do not release something that beats Rivian and Ford lightning in overall performance, it would be a big blow to Elon-Ego.

Not gonna happen

 

[cvalue13]

Interesting perspective. I think some good points here, however, one fundamental consideration:

Has Tesla ever released a product in its category not ahead of its competition?
I don’t think so

if they do not release something that beats Rivian and Ford lightning in overall performance, it would be a big blow to Elon-Ego.

Not gonna happen

you’re underlying assumption, though, is that Tesla/Musk believe big batteries and long range is a spec they care to out-compete

if Rivian released a truck with a built in can-opener, would Tesla be embarrassed to not release a truck with a BIGGER can-opener?

note that Musk/Tesla have long signaled they don’t believe massive packs and idle range are a viable or necessary feature

and while they’ve expressed that for a long time, they’ve only been employing it of late

of late Tesla ranges have been coming down, not extending

to say nothing of the practical reality that, if battery energy density isn’t where they aspired it to be, Tesla would be left - on your account - to choose to just not release the CT at all. something’s got to give

 

[intimidator]

According to this X post, a driver of the Baja CT told an observer that it has 500-mile range!

I am skeptical that it will have 500 miles range, because of physics and current battery tech for 4680s.

Tesla doesn't have any vehicles that have 400 miles or more of range currently. How are they jumping up to 500 miles of range, with a bigger, heavier vehicle, using the current 4680s?

(The only way to get to 500 mile range would be to put in a massive massive battery which I don't think Elon supports)

 

[VR Driving]

I don't think we will see the 500 miles range version until Tesla fully mastered produce 4680 and raises the energy density of the batteries. It will be most likely coming a year or two after production begins. Sorta like dual motor Tesla didn't came a while after the RWD.

 

[HaulingAss]

But @cvalue13 has assured us many times that this is not the case. Anyway, what a test driver tells someone they want to impress should probably be taken with a grain of salt (even if every fiber in my body wants it to be true).

The comments you should be wary of, and take with a large grain of salt, are those of @cvalue13 , not an actual Tesla Cybertruck test driver. Because he has a long history of talking about things he has little understanding of.

That said, I don't think the 500 miles range comment came from the Baja test driver, but rather a low-level employee at the Service Center who was simply re-iterating the specs provided during the release event. Given the reporting to date, it's inconclusive who uttered the 500-mile range comment.

However, we know Elon has claimed 500+ miles range, and he has a strong history of hitting his stated targets, even if sometimes late. Without Elon retracting the 500+ mile range target, we can expect it to be hit, even if it comes a year or so after initial production of a mid-range 300+ mile version (which is actually considered long-range by the industry). Anything over 300 miles is long range, 500+ miles is well beyond "long-range".

 

[cvalue13]

The comments you should be wary of, and take with a large grain of salt, are those of @cvalue13 , not an actual Tesla Cybertruck test driver. Because he has a long history of talking about things he has little understanding of.

Like what? Bring receipts. Otherwise this is just weird ad hominem side-swipes.

Not to suggest you can’t find things I’ve been wrong about. But on what metric is being ‘wrong’ about some things relevant in a forum like this? Aren’t we all wrong, sometimes? I try to be clear about when I’m talking outside my bailiwick, and try (but sometimes fail) to quickly admit when I’m wrong.


But in case you’re confused: not even “an actual Tesla Cybertruck test driver” knows anywhere near ‘everything’ about this truck, and themselves are still often in the dark or mistaken about numerous details.



My assumption is that you just find suspect anyone who isn’t a full-throated fanboi blowhard, and view any modicum of alternative views or critical thinking as an assault on your senses.

Which would be a hard thing to live with in the real world, and kind of makes me feel badly just thinking about it.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

Where did you get that 2 miles per kWh? The Ford and Rivian are quite a bit higher than that (spreadsheet above).

I live in a state that gets 4 season. My average over the 10k miles is 2.5 with my Lightning

 

[scottf200]

note that Musk/Tesla have long signaled they don’t believe massive packs and idle range are a viable or necessary feature

I am skeptical that it will have 500 miles range, because of physics and current battery tech for 4680s.

Tesla doesn't have any vehicles that have 400 miles or more of range currently. How are they jumping up to 500 miles of range, with a bigger, heavier vehicle, using the current 4680s?

(The only way to get to 500 mile range would be to put in a massive massive battery which I don't think Elon supports)

I think the "X factor" that makes the Cybertruck different is towing range. All of Teslas other cars don't have this as a competitive thing with other companies. It is a comparison that will be made regularly and in most articles when the CT comes out.

The Superchargers every where aspect does pan out in my head because 99% of the supercharger site do not have pull-thru. I do*not count the sometimes pull in (vs back in) stall as a towing spot because 95% of the supercharges with that would have a trailer blocking the lane.

Below is not the exact same as the pull-in spot but still exemplifies that the parking lots often have lanes and other parking spots right next to the supercharging area.

 

[intimidator]

I think the "X factor" that makes the Cybertruck different is towing range. All of Teslas other cars don't have this as a competitive thing with other companies. It is a comparison that will be made regularly and in most articles when the CT comes out.

The Superchargers every where aspect does pan out in my head because 99% of the supercharger site do not have pull-thru. I do*not count the sometimes pull in (vs back in) stall as a towing spot because 95% of the supercharges with that would have a trailer blocking the lane.

Below is not the exact same as the pull-in spot but still exemplifies that the parking lots often have lanes and other parking spots right next to the supercharging area.

I would love 500 miles of range. Tesla would probably provide it, for a cost, IF they could.

I don't think they can provide it - yet.

Lucid has a 500 mile range sedan, but the slick aero of their sedan is a big part of that equation. In addition to the efficiency of their electric motors and batteries.

The drag coefficient of the Cybertruck is going to be a big challenge to push range past 400 miles.

Tesla wants to do it, but physics might get in the way.

 

[Kingdom1st]

That would be a 200kW plus pack size. I struggle to believe they can fit that much battery in there.

It’s easy. Chevy has already put 212 packs in the hummer and their new EV truck. If Tesla wants to give us 500 miles they can.

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